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Trade Unions and welfare
Mar 27^th, 2014 at 1:24pm

I don't get this one, what do unions have to do with welfare ?

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THE TRADE union movement is outraged that it’s been excluded from the Abbott government’s review of the nation’s welfare regime, after it received a letter from Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews’ office saying it was “internal”.

A letter signed by Mr Andrews’ chief of staff says: “The reference group has undertaken some initial preliminary consultations with some invited stakeholders to assist in framing their initial thinking.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/anger-as-unions-told-coalition-...

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progressiveslol Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17029	Re: Trade Unions and welfare Reply #1 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:05pm The only thing I can think of is like all good comrads, they love to control others and they tend to make employment so expensive, that the workers are put on welfare eventually.
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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Trade Unions and welfare Reply #2 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:16pm Trade unions need to involve themselves in all the issues that could affect the quality of life of their members and not just industrial matters. Issues regarding welfare would affect union members who lose their jobs (quite likely under the present government) and could affect members who are injured in the workplace.
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Trade Unions and welfare Reply #3 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:16pm Wow, Sprint, a massive piece of crap from you!
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Re: Trade Unions and welfare
Reply #4 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:45pm

Initially, trade unions were ALL about welfare. Well, welfare of their members at least. But the advent of the social state and the welfare structure has rendered much of their involvement in this area moot. The current poor membership levels of unions reflects this.

The world has move on a long way since the 1900s but the union movement hasn't quite made the transition. They prefer to dictate terms rather than negotiate or to be primarily involved in the welfare of their members. The current sad state of union leadership[ and its criminal activities only underlines this fact.

Unions have a proud history and a place in the future, but they have to evolve or end up like the dinosaur.

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Reply #5 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:36pm

Frances wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Trade unions need to involve themselves in all the issues that could affect the quality of life of their members and not just industrial matters. Issues regarding welfare would affect union members who lose their jobs (quite likely under the present government) and could affect members who are injured in the workplace.

NO trade unions aren't government they need to get back to basics, stop wasting members fees and start doing the job they were created for.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Trade Unions and welfare Reply #6 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:37pm St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:16pm: Wow, Sprint, a massive piece of crap from you! hypocrite and troll eh brew meister... sorry couldn't resist since you seem to be stalking and trolling me, and now it seems others
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Reply #7 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:37pm

Frances wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Trade unions need to involve themselves in all the issues that could affect the quality of life of their members and not just industrial matters. Issues regarding welfare would affect union members who lose their jobs (quite likely under the present government) and could affect members who are injured in the workplace.

100% correct, Frances!

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Re: Trade Unions and welfare
Reply #8 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:39pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

Frances wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Trade unions need to involve themselves in all the issues that could affect the quality of life of their members and not just industrial matters. Issues regarding welfare would affect union members who lose their jobs (quite likely under the present government) and could affect members who are injured in the workplace.

NO trade unions aren't government they need to get back to basics, stop wasting members fees and start doing the job they were created for.

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100% correct, Frances!

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Reply #9 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:59pm

On the sites I work on, unions (mainly CFMEU and AWU) handle, organise and/or arrange a lot of the counselling work (there's a lot that you just wouldn't think of - relationship, mental health, substance issues etc). They also help with return to work for injured workers - help for families while the person is off work etc. They also provide vocational services for those injured who find themselves having to find another job path.

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Reply #10 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:02pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

I don't get this one, what do unions have to do with welfare ?

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THE TRADE union movement is outraged that it’s been excluded from the Abbott government’s review of the nation’s welfare regime, after it received a letter from Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews’ office saying it was “internal”.

A letter signed by Mr Andrews’ chief of staff says: “The reference group has undertaken some initial preliminary consultations with some invited stakeholders to assist in framing their initial thinking.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/anger-as-unions-told-coalition-...

the ones I saw during the MARCH didnt strike me as having any qualities that one would need for counselling they looked more like head kickers to me..

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Re: Trade Unions and welfare
Reply #11 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:09pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

Frances wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Trade unions need to involve themselves in all the issues that could affect the quality of life of their members and not just industrial matters. Issues regarding welfare would affect union members who lose their jobs (quite likely under the present government) and could affect members who are injured in the workplace.

NO trade unions aren't government they need to get back to basics, stop wasting members fees and start doing the job they were created for.

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100% correct, Frances!

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Do you have anything intelligent to say, or did you just come here to post some pictures?

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Re: Trade Unions and welfare
Reply #12 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:19pm

Frances wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:09pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

Frances wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

Trade unions need to involve themselves in all the issues that could affect the quality of life of their members and not just industrial matters. Issues regarding welfare would affect union members who lose their jobs (quite likely under the present government) and could affect members who are injured in the workplace.

NO trade unions aren't government they need to get back to basics, stop wasting members fees and start doing the job they were created for.

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100% correct, Frances!

http://www.pigdump.com/v3/2008/SpikeAndChester.jpg

Do you have anything intelligent to say, or did you just come here to post some pictures?

Perfectly appropriate comment on Monk's contribution as per usual... a picture is worth a thousand words.
Saves typing too. Roll Eyes

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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Trade Unions and welfare Reply #13 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:31pm Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:19pm: a picture is worth a thousand words. Some are. Yours aren't.
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Re: Trade Unions and welfare
Reply #14 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 6:01am

cods wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

I don't get this one, what do unions have to do with welfare ?

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THE TRADE union movement is outraged that it’s been excluded from the Abbott government’s review of the nation’s welfare regime, after it received a letter from Social Services Minister Kevin Andrews’ office saying it was “internal”.

A letter signed by Mr Andrews’ chief of staff says: “The reference group has undertaken some initial preliminary consultations with some invited stakeholders to assist in framing their initial thinking.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/anger-as-unions-told-coalition-...

the ones I saw during the MARCH didnt strike me as having any qualities that one would need for counselling they looked more like head kickers to me..

Don’t you like a bit of rough, codswallop?

Even big strong men can be vulnerable emotionally.

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