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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74836 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #120 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 10:10am Bam wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 10:04am: And despite your occasional claims to the contrary, you take the Coalition's line on almost every topic almost? You give him far to much credit there King Bam, I've yet to see him say anything remotely negative about the libs ....
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #121 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:09am Couple of beauties: from Twitter: Biggus droopy Dikkus
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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #122 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:18am

Bam wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:42pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

I have seen Bronwyn Bishop as speaker a few times, and I have to admit I was surprised at how blatantly she displayed her bias.
She does not even pretend to be fair or even handed, which does seem to give legitimacy to Labor putting forward the motion they did, and in the words they chose to do so.
I know people disparage Slipper for his previous transgressions, but you could see he really did try to fulfill the role of speaker as fairly, and honorably as he could, and I think it must be a long time since we have had such a cavalier disdain for the honour needed in the role of speaker, as displayed by Bishop.

Good post. Agreed.

Do you both agree that Anna Burke was blatantly biased too?
If not... you're both biased and have no credibility

If Burke was so blatantly biased, why didn't Abbott move a motion of no confidence in her?

More adult and less intolerant.

With the tight numbers of the 43rd parliament, it would have had a chance of succeeding if she was too biased.

Bulldust the 3 musketeers and the green saw labor safely by on every vote.

Do you know why Slipper resigned as Speaker? He had lost the confidence of the House; Oakeshott and Windsor saw him privately to tell him that they would support a no confidence motion against him if one were moved, so he resigned. Pledging support on confidence in the Government is not the same thing as providing confidence in the Government's choice of Speaker.

Puhlease your point would be? They replaced him as speaker...

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #123 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:19am St George of the Garden wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 10:20pm: Pyne is a pratt, he and the simian wanted QT rowdy to give an appearance of a chaotic govt. Burke did kick govt members out as well. Slipper was the best Speaker. Oh goody now how about coughing up the numbers then.
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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #124 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:23am

Bam wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:39am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:52pm:

john_g wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:08pm:

Can anyone tell me how Burke was any better/less biased?

She wasn't and she allowed every question to go unanswered....

And ... BOOM! What little credibility you had left disappeared with this silly response.

prove it... Cheesy

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #125 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:27am “The Mnister will return to the question” “The Minister will keep his answer reevant” Two responses to relevance conspicuously missing from Broomhilda’s repertoire.
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Reply #126 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:28am

Lying and creating strawmen now eh bam... how disappointing you've become in your desperation.

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You show me one example - just one will do - where Speaker Burke named a member for addressing her as "Madam Speaker".

I never said she did now did I...

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Or even one example where Speaker Burke asked someone to leave the chamber for addressing her as "Madam Speaker".

Ditto above and since when did she asked to be addressed as such?

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Then your view that Burke was at least as biased as Bishop would have some weight.

Oh it does and so far she is worse than Bishop her record clearly shows her tossing coalition members out willy nilly and allowing the government to push propaganda ridicule and not answer questions.
Now if that is happening when the boot is on the other foot it is hardly fair to cry foul now is it. For the ALP, the Greens YOU or biased rusted-on supporters.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #127 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:32am 99:0 The bitch is biased as well as senile.
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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #128 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:46am

Grendel wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

Lying and creating strawmen now eh bam... how disappointing you've become in your desperation.

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You show me one example - just one will do - where Speaker Burke named a member for addressing her as "Madam Speaker".

I never said she did now did I...

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Or even one example where Speaker Burke asked someone to leave the chamber for addressing her as "Madam Speaker".

Ditto above and since when did she asked to be addressed as such?

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Then your view that Burke was at least as biased as Bishop would have some weight.

Oh it does and so far she is worse than Bishop her record clearly shows her tossing coalition members out willy nilly and allowing the government to push propaganda ridicule and not answer questions.
Now if that is happening when the boot is on the other foot it is hardly fair to cry foul now is it. For the ALP, the Greens YOU or biased rusted-on supporters.

As expected, you refused to discuss the matter in good faith. Not surprising considering you can't back up what you say with the slightest shred of proof.

Discussing this with you is like trying to hunt down a cockroach.

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Reply #129 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:59am

Grendel wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:18am:

Bam wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 9:37am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:42pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

mozzaok wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

I have seen Bronwyn Bishop as speaker a few times, and I have to admit I was surprised at how blatantly she displayed her bias.
She does not even pretend to be fair or even handed, which does seem to give legitimacy to Labor putting forward the motion they did, and in the words they chose to do so.
I know people disparage Slipper for his previous transgressions, but you could see he really did try to fulfill the role of speaker as fairly, and honorably as he could, and I think it must be a long time since we have had such a cavalier disdain for the honour needed in the role of speaker, as displayed by Bishop.

Good post. Agreed.

Do you both agree that Anna Burke was blatantly biased too?
If not... you're both biased and have no credibility

If Burke was so blatantly biased, why didn't Abbott move a motion of no confidence in her?

More adult and less intolerant.

Abbott is about as adult as a two-year-old who's been denied treats in a supermarket.

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With the tight numbers of the 43rd parliament, it would have had a chance of succeeding if she was too biased.

Bulldust the 3 musketeers and the green saw labor safely by on every vote.

Do you know why Slipper resigned as Speaker? He had lost the confidence of the House; Oakeshott and Windsor saw him privately to tell him that they would support a no confidence motion against him if one were moved, so he resigned. Pledging support on confidence in the Government is not the same thing as providing confidence in the Government's choice of Speaker.

Puhlease your point would be? They replaced him as speaker...

Slipper resigned because he did not have the numbers. That refutes your silliness about the three musketeers.

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TheGreenLight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 633 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #130 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:10pm Could someone please fill me in on the Madam Speaker thing? Doesn't Bishop like being called that??
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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #132 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:26pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

Lying and creating strawmen now eh bam... how disappointing you've become in your desperation.

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You show me one example - just one will do - where Speaker Burke named a member for addressing her as "Madam Speaker".

I never said she did now did I...

Burke NEVER threw anyone out of Parliament for daring to address her so far as I know. Bishop did.

If Burke actually did this, I'll stand corrected if you cite the Hansard with date and time.

And we can check bias quantitatively. Check the points of order in QT regarding relevance, and see how often these have been upheld and how many have been declined. There may be other statistics as well, such as how often the Speaker asks the Minister for clarification before making a ruling.

This is another example where you cannot back up your silly argument with any evidence.

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Or even one example where Speaker Burke asked someone to leave the chamber for addressing her as "Madam Speaker".

Ditto above and since when did she asked to be addressed as such?

The exact form of address is not important. When did Burke throw anyone out for addressing her using her preferred title?

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Then your view that Burke was at least as biased as Bishop would have some weight.

Oh it does and so far she is worse than Bishop her record clearly shows her tossing coalition members out willy nilly and allowing the government to push propaganda ridicule and not answer questions.

And Bishop forces the Government to answer every question and disallows propaganda?

Roll Eyes

You crap on endlessly about her record but you refuse to provide any proof to back this up. You also persisit in this distraction tactic to deflect scrutiny from Bishop, who is the worst Speaker I have ever seen. And that includes the Victorian Coalition Speaker who shut down Parliament for two weeks last November rather than face a motion of no confidence.

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Now if that is happening when the boot is on the other foot it is hardly fair to cry foul now is it.

Bishop named and ejected an Opposition member for addressing her.

A point you refuse to discuss.

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For the ALP, the Greens YOU or biased rusted-on supporters.

I'm not rusted on to any party, and will call issues as I see them. There's not a political party that I haven't criticised at some point.

When will you own up to being a rusted-on one-eyed Coalition supporter?

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Reply #133 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:37pm

TheGreenLight wrote on Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Could someone please fill me in on the Madam Speaker thing? Doesn't Bishop like being called that??

"Madam Speaker" is Speaker Bishop's preferred form of address within the chamber of the House of Representatives.

Mark Dreyfus, Member for Isaacs, was apparently named and ejected for addressing her.
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Mr SHORTEN (Maribyrnong—Leader of the Opposition) (14:12): My question is to the Prime Minister. Why is the government's priority a plan to bring back knights and dames, but there is no plan for Alcoa workers, for car workers, or for Qantas workers? Prime Minister, why are your Liberal government's twisted priorities so out of touch with the needs of ordinary Australians?

The SPEAKER: Before I call the Prime Minister I simply want to note that there was silence on my left, as there should be, for the asking of the question. I expect the same silence for the answer. The Prime Minister has the call.

Mr Dreyfus interjecting—

The SPEAKER: The member will resume his seat.

Mr Dreyfus: Madam Speaker!

The SPEAKER: I name the member for Isaacs!

Opposition members interjecting—

Mr Burke: For saying 'Madam Speaker'?

The SPEAKER: I name the member for Isaacs!

Mr Burke: For saying 'Madam Speaker'?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38802 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #134 - Mar 28^th, 2014 at 12:39pm Test
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