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Reply #30 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:08pm

You are joking! Prissy Pyne was constantly making BS points of order. Mostly wrong. When he raised a POO about relevance the Speaker told whichever Minister was answering the question to relate the answer to the question.

Broomhilda just says “No point of order” and she has a nasty habit of not recognising Burke or whoever at the despatch box until the Minister has finished his answer.

She is obviously totally biased!

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Reply #31 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:09pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Normally the speaker is biased, we know this. But for one side to actually come out and say they are the MOST biased? hmmm, tells me that she must be pretty biased. Duchess Bishop must quit.

No it tells you how biased and childish this bunch of ALP members are.
Dreyfus has deserved the boot many times and not got it under a Labor speakership.
Anna Burke was very biased and allowed the ALP to do whatever they pleased and continually fail to answer questions.
She has no credibility or right to criticise anyone.

Care to show us examples, oh dear conservative leftie?

Or are you doing your usual finger at lips and shake routine?

Perhaps you missed parliament on tv under Burke.
So why are you here debating stuff you are ignorant of.
I saw it I know how biased she was even Jenkins was biased but you didn't see the Coalition arc up the way these prats do. Slipper was probably the best of the 3 of them under Labor. Bishop is IMO not doing a good job, but then they aren't making her life easy are they.

I want examples, teaspoon. Your usual "I am going to substantiate with my own broad opinion" isn't going to work.

Like I said, Yes, they are ALL biased. Which is why when someone comes out and actually points it out like they have, surely it must mean she is absolutely disgracefully biased.

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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #32 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:17pm

Watching Speakers in general has been a tortuous experience as they oscillate between bias and error with some disinterest and slumber to keep up the variety. Jenkins was the best of the most recent batch but hardly stellar. Slipper was an appalling person and so his speakership was tainted before he started and respect is essential to the position and he had none.

I like the idea of an unbiased non-political Speaker but in practice, how do you achieve that? The G-G is also not allowed to be part of a political party but did that stop Bob Hawke from appointing Bill the Policeman to the position? No, he simply resigned from the ALP the day he accepted the position.

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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #33 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:17pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Normally the speaker is biased, we know this. But for one side to actually come out and say they are the MOST biased? hmmm, tells me that she must be pretty biased. Duchess Bishop must quit.

No it tells you how biased and childish this bunch of ALP members are.
Dreyfus has deserved the boot many times and not got it under a Labor speakership.
Anna Burke was very biased and allowed the ALP to do whatever they pleased and continually fail to answer questions.
She has no credibility or right to criticise anyone.

Care to show us examples, oh dear conservative leftie?

Or are you doing your usual finger at lips and shake routine?

Perhaps you missed parliament on tv under Burke.
So why are you here debating stuff you are ignorant of.
I saw it I know how biased she was even Jenkins was biased but you didn't see the Coalition arc up the way these prats do. Slipper was probably the best of the 3 of them under Labor. Bishop is IMO not doing a good job, but then they aren't making her life easy are they.

I want examples, teaspoon. Your usual "I am going to substantiate with my own broad opinion" isn't going to work.

Like I said, Yes, they are ALL biased. Which is why when someone comes out and actually points it out like they have, surely it must mean she is absolutely disgracefully biased.

I can't help it if you are so badly served you don't know how bad Burke was. not my problem.
You can read hansard or watch youtube or buy yourself a Wayback machine...
If you are so biased you can't see what is happening then there is also the question to be asked... what's the point of telling you anything. Cheesy

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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #34 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:20pm

mozzaok wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:35pm:

I have seen Bronwyn Bishop as speaker a few times, and I have to admit I was surprised at how blatantly she displayed her bias.
She does not even pretend to be fair or even handed, which does seem to give legitimacy to Labor putting forward the motion they did, and in the words they chose to do so.
I know people disparage Slipper for his previous transgressions, but you could see he really did try to fulfill the role of speaker as fairly, and honorably as he could, and I think it must be a long time since we have had such a cavalier disdain for the honour needed in the role of speaker, as displayed by Bishop.

Good post. Agreed.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #35 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:23pm She failed at everything she touched as a Minister in the Howard 'govt', and is now displaying the same level of incompetence and disdain for fair play that she exhibited then. She was a failure then, and she's a failure now. Whenever she starts her BS, the Opposition should simply get up and walk out, en masse.
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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #36 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:09pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Normally the speaker is biased, we know this. But for one side to actually come out and say they are the MOST biased? hmmm, tells me that she must be pretty biased. Duchess Bishop must quit.

No it tells you how biased and childish this bunch of ALP members are.
Dreyfus has deserved the boot many times and not got it under a Labor speakership.
Anna Burke was very biased and allowed the ALP to do whatever they pleased and continually fail to answer questions.
She has no credibility or right to criticise anyone.

Care to show us examples, oh dear conservative leftie?

Or are you doing your usual finger at lips and shake routine?

Perhaps you missed parliament on tv under Burke.
So why are you here debating stuff you are ignorant of.
I saw it I know how biased she was even Jenkins was biased but you didn't see the Coalition arc up the way these prats do. Slipper was probably the best of the 3 of them under Labor. Bishop is IMO not doing a good job, but then they aren't making her life easy are they.

I want examples, teaspoon. Your usual "I am going to substantiate with my own broad opinion" isn't going to work.

Like I said, Yes, they are ALL biased. Which is why when someone comes out and actually points it out like they have, surely it must mean she is absolutely disgracefully biased.

I can't help it if you are so badly served you don't know how bad Burke was. not my problem.
You can read hansard or watch youtube or buy yourself a Wayback machine...
If you are so biased you can't see what is happening then there is also the question to be asked... what's the point of telling you anything. Cheesy

So in other words you have nothing.

Have a nice day, as usual your stupidity is highlighted for everyone.

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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #37 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:49pm

Kat wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:

She failed at everything she touched as a Minister in the Howard 'govt', and is now displaying
the same level of incompetence and disdain for fair play that she exhibited then.

She was a failure then, and she's a failure now.

Whenever she starts her BS, the Opposition should simply get up and walk out, en masse.

That would be foolish, childish and utterly pointless. What better way to demonstrate to the Australian voter that the decision to turf them out of office was the right one.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #38 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:52pm Remember when Bishop flat out lied on Hansard? good times. Most speakers are bisaed, but I don't remember anyone flat out lying repeatedly to silence people they don't want to speak.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20467 Perth Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #39 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:59pm Bishop is the worst speaker I have ever seen bar none!!!
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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #41 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 6:07pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 3:20pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 2:43pm:

Normally the speaker is biased, we know this. But for one side to actually come out and say they are the MOST biased? hmmm, tells me that she must be pretty biased. Duchess Bishop must quit.

No it tells you how biased and childish this bunch of ALP members are.
Dreyfus has deserved the boot many times and not got it under a Labor speakership.
Anna Burke was very biased and allowed the ALP to do whatever they pleased and continually fail to answer questions.
She has no credibility or right to criticise anyone.

Care to show us examples, oh dear conservative leftie?

Or are you doing your usual finger at lips and shake routine?

Perhaps you missed parliament on tv under Burke.
So why are you here debating stuff you are ignorant of.
I saw it I know how biased she was even Jenkins was biased but you didn't see the Coalition arc up the way these prats do.

That's not true.

In the last parliament, the Coalition moved to suspend standing orders in almost every sitting week of the last parliament, far more than is usual. You tell me that every occasion was justified.

In the last Parliament, The Coalition denied pairs for stupid reasons - the first time any Federal Opposition did that since before the last time that the United Australia Party was in office. You tell me that every denial of a pair was justified.

During this parliament, this crap Speaker has denied points of order before they have even been made and indulged in numerous other examples of bias. Calling "Madam Speaker" is grounds for ejection! Really! You tell me that every ejection from Parliament was justified and every denial of points of order was justified.

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Lobo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7407 Sydney Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #42 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 6:10pm Since Bishop became speaker, 98 members of parliament have been thrown out of the chamber..... How many of these were Govt members??? ZERO !!!!! Nah!! Bronwitch is not biased......
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Re: Labor's petulance on display
Reply #43 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 6:18pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

Watching Speakers in general has been a tortuous experience as they oscillate between bias and error with some disinterest and slumber to keep up the variety. Jenkins was the best of the most recent batch but hardly stellar. Slipper was an appalling person and so his speakership was tainted before he started and respect is essential to the position and he had none.

Slipper was only perceived as tainted because his own party sought to smear him. As a Speaker he was reasonable. Jenkins was also a decent Speaker.

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I like the idea of an unbiased non-political Speaker but in practice, how do you achieve that? The G-G is also not allowed to be part of a political party but did that stop Bob Hawke from appointing Bill the Policeman to the position? No, he simply resigned from the ALP the day he accepted the position.

The British Parliament has a tradition where a Speaker resigns from their party when they are appointed, and the major parties do not stand candidates in the Speaker's seat.

In the early days of Federal Parliament, the Australian Parliament followed a similar tradition. The first Speaker, Frederick Holder, was an independent who was often elected unopposed.

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Reply #44 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 6:29pm

I didn't think it possible to have a Speaker as biased, if not even more so, than Burke, but Bishop has proved me wrong.

Her bias is blatant and disgisting, because the role is supposed to be totally and unequivocally impartial.

Harry Jenkins was a good and balanced Speaker, but was shafted by Labor to give them a buffer.

Slipper was great too.

Burke and Bishop are as bad as each other, and to defend one and not the other is completely hypocritical, be it from the Liberal or Labor fanboys on here.

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