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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38802 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #60 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:15pm john_g wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:08pm: Can anyone tell me how Burke was any better/less biased? I'm sure she was partisan Mr G......but never had I felt such a cringe as I do with Big Jobs in the Chair. You?
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Reply #61 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 5:17pm:

Watching Speakers in general has been a tortuous experience as they oscillate between bias and error with some disinterest and slumber to keep up the variety. Jenkins was the best of the most recent batch but hardly stellar. Slipper was an appalling person and so his speakership was tainted before he started and respect is essential to the position and he had none.

Slipper was only perceived as tainted because his own party sought to smear him. As a Speaker he was reasonable. Jenkins was also a decent Speaker.

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I like the idea of an unbiased non-political Speaker but in practice, how do you achieve that? The G-G is also not allowed to be part of a political party but did that stop Bob Hawke from appointing Bill the Policeman to the position? No, he simply resigned from the ALP the day he accepted the position.

The British Parliament has a tradition where a Speaker resigns from their party when they are appointed, and the major parties do not stand candidates in the Speaker's seat.

In the early days of Federal Parliament, the Australian Parliament followed a similar tradition. The first Speaker, was an independent who was often elected unopposed.

I think the reasons Slipper was tainted were a bit more substantial that you seem to grant. He has had criminal and civil charges filed against him

Do you deny the presumption of innocence?

Numerous politicians from across the political spectrum have had dodgy claims for greater amounts, but only Slipper got referred to the authorities due to the machinations of the Liberal party. Why was only Slipper denied the process of the Minchin Protocol?

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and had a long and unsavoury history or rorting travel expenses.

He was a member of the Liberal party at the time, for whom claiming dodgy travel allowances was business as usual. How many times have the Liberals been caught out in the past year for claiming attendance at weddings as "official business"?

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He was also tainted by the political process in which he abandoned his own party to pursue the Speakership.

A preposterous argument, considering that resigning from a political party and sitting as an independent is standard operating procedure for Speakers in the British House of Commons.

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Reply #62 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

CHRISTIAN KERR THE AUSTRALIAN SEPTEMBER 16, 2013

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Mr Abbott, who once described himself as the "ideological love-child of John Howard and Bronwyn Bishop", praised her experience and profile in putting her name forward yesterday.

"I want to bring some dignity back to the parliament and that means a Speaker who can control the parliament and who can act without fear nor favour," he said.

"And I want someone who is as tough on the government as on the opposition, because I think the people expect a parliament which is a genuine debating chamber and not just a chamber where the government bludgeons the opposition."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/bronwyn-bishop-to-be-speaker-with-tony-abbotts-support/story-fn9qr68y-1226719672169

Another example of an Abbott lie.......

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Reply #63 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:24pm

Lobo wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:20pm:

CHRISTIAN KERR THE AUSTRALIAN SEPTEMBER 16, 2013

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Mr Abbott, who once described himself as the "ideological love-child of John Howard and Bronwyn Bishop", praised her experience and profile in putting her name forward yesterday.

"I want to bring some dignity back to the parliament and that means a Speaker who can control the parliament and who can act without fear nor favour," he said.

"And I want someone who is as tough on the government as on the opposition, because I think the people expect a parliament which is a genuine debating chamber and not just a chamber where the government bludgeons the opposition."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/bronwyn-bishop-to-be-speaker-with-tony-abbotts-support/story-fn9qr68y-1226719672169

Another example of an Abbott lie.......

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Reply #64 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:27pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 6:51pm:

You gonna table every time Anna Burke tossed out a Coalition member and allowed questions to go unanswered? I mean to say we have to be fair about this don't we?

Burke is not the current Speaker. Bishop is.

Burke's conduct has been analysed already in prior discussions. Bishop's conduct is being questioned now.

Why are you trying to deflect and derail the discussion?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138342 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #65 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:55pm Are all these AP threads meant to distract us from the fact that AP lied about the wreckage of the lost Malaysian flight? Why did you lie about that, AP?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38802 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #66 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:00pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:55pm: Are all these AP threads meant to distract us from the fact that AP lied about the wreckage of the lost Malaysian flight? Why did you lie about that, AP? I'd make that your signature, Mr Peccarry.
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Reply #67 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:08pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

Are all these AP threads meant to distract us from the fact that AP lied about the wreckage of the lost Malaysian flight?

Why did you lie about that, AP?

I'd make that your signature, Mr Peccarry.

He still won't answer though.

AP, you are a liar and a coward.

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Reply #68 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:22pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

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..and unsavoury history or rorting travel expenses.

Evidence please, and when you provide same, please distinguish Slipper's 'rorts' from............oh.............let's take......say...........Abbott's.

So another of the bully-boy tactics by demanding proof of facts that are already in the public domain and well-known? He was required to repay significant amounts by the Department of Finance on multiple occasions.

Now if you wish to debate properly it would be helpful to stipulate to facts - however inconvenient - that are demonstrably true rather than employ the bully boy tactics of demanding 'proof' at every stage. It is beneath those debaters of substance.

Soooo.....no evidence especially how you distinguish what Slipper repaid from what Abbott, Joyce, etc etc etc repaid.

Funny how you equate me asking for some evidence to support your allegations with 'bullying.' Even funnier that you would know anything about 'debaters of substance.' Do you know any in your World? Invite them here if so. Gawd knows the right Wing of the Inn is in dire need of any assistance you can muster for them.

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I see you are the person who will engage in infinite regression to the world of pedantry and argument about the number of angels that fit on the head of a pin. Pretend all you like that Slipper is a man of unimpeachable character while the rest of us look on and laugh.

Come back when you want to debate something of substance and away from your ivory tower of arrogance.

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Reply #69 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:25pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 8:02pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 7:19pm:

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..and unsavoury history or rorting travel expenses.

Evidence please, and when you provide same, please distinguish Slipper's 'rorts' from............oh.............let's take......say...........Abbott's.

So another of the bully-boy tactics by demanding proof of facts that are already in the public domain and well-known? He was required to repay significant amounts by the Department of Finance on multiple occasions.

Now if you wish to debate properly it would be helpful to stipulate to facts - however inconvenient - that are demonstrably true rather than employ the bully boy tactics of demanding 'proof' at every stage. It is beneath those debaters of substance.

Soooo.....no evidence especially how you distinguish what Slipper repaid from what Abbott, Joyce, etc etc etc repaid.

Funny how you equate me asking for some evidence to support your allegations with 'bullying.' Even funnier that you would know anything about 'debaters of substance.' Do you know any in your World? Invite them here if so. Gawd knows the right Wing of the Inn is in dire need of any assistance you can muster for them.

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I see you are the person who will engage in infinite regression to the world of pedantry and argument about the number of angels that fit on the head of a pin. Pretend all you like that Slipper is a man of unimpeachable character while the rest of us look on and laugh.

Come back when you want to debate something of substance and away from your ivory tower of arrogance.

You're gonna need this:

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Reply #70 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:31pm

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I see you are the person who will engage in infinite regression to the world of pedantry and argument about the number of angels that fit on the head of a pin. Pretend all you like that Slipper is a man of unimpeachable character while the rest of us look on and laugh.

Come back when you want to debate something of substance and away from your ivory tower of arrogance.

You've been here since 12.39 pm today and racked up almost 50 posts. You have swallowed a dictionary, attacked, ridiculed, and I already want to buy you at my price and sell at yours.

Dear Chap.....let's get back to the Inn where we started. What did Slipper do that Abbott and many others did not......in the rorts stakes?

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Reply #71 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:34pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

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I see you are the person who will engage in infinite regression to the world of pedantry and argument about the number of angels that fit on the head of a pin. Pretend all you like that Slipper is a man of unimpeachable character while the rest of us look on and laugh.

Come back when you want to debate something of substance and away from your ivory tower of arrogance.

You been here since 12.39 pm today and racked up almost 50 posts. You have swallowed a dictionary, attacked, ridiculed, and I already want to buy you at my price and sell at yours.

Dear Chap.....let's get back to the Inn where we started. What did Slipper do that Abbott and many others did not......in the rorts stakes?

And most of those I've seen, have been trolling someone or other.

Seems to have been a sudden influx of these 'new' members over the past few days... Angry

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Frances Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3577 In a Castle in the Hills Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #72 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:36pm Funny - now the thread has reached five pages and no one from the right has answered the question I asked them on the first page....
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #73 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:38pm Frances wrote on Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:36pm: Funny - now the thread has reached five pages and no one from the right has answered the question I asked them on the first page.... And they won't, either.
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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Labor's petulance on display Reply #74 - Mar 27^th, 2014 at 9:42pm Not a single righty has answered my questions on economics either. Big on criticising Swan, slow to answer a couple questions. And they always mention stuff long disproved. Righties are dumb.
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