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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The state of Queensland. Reply #435 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:23am Queensland let the LNP know what they thought of privatisation, don’t need some fairy tale new system.
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Re: The state of Queensland.
Reply #436 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:27am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 7:53am:

Victoria sold its fantastic public owned electricity grid and now it belongs to the Singapore government who saw a great money spinner and have been laughing all the way to the bank ever since . Now that's what I call taking over this country, so you know your talk about the Asian Bankers coming to take over this country unless we vote for conservative govts sounds somewhat hollow. We are losing our country because of the push by conservative govts (mainly LNP) over 3 decades to knock down our trade barriers and sell our govt owned assets. I hope one day the australian community will see this for the betrayal that it was.

People are already waking up to it.

People have rejected the LNP in Queensland for that reason.

And right around the country, people are looking at their electricity bills after the repeal of the carbon "tax" and seeing the price still going up and up.

We need a Royal Commission into the privatisation of assets.

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Reply #437 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:36am

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:20am:

Not only that, it is the top end of town get all the handouts:

Not all the handouts, but a lot more than they need.

(note: I rearranged the bullet points for ease of discussion)
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–diesel fuel rebate
–concessionary tax rate on super contributions, since Howard the super rich can avoid huge amounts of tax
–negative gearing
–concessionary capital gains tax

All of which need to be looked at in the quest for balancing the budget.

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–get away with transfer pricing
–“Australia tax”

Multinational taxation is a world-wide scourge. The government have identified it as a problem but they are all talk and no walk. What have they done? Nothing!

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–churches not taxed

Abolish the tax-free status of religious institutions. Allow genuine charitable works to be deducted against the tax at full value. Genuine charities would be unaffected (as long as they spend at least 30% of their income on charitable works) but sham religious organisations that do no real charitable works would start being taxed. Hillsong would be a case in point - $50 million income, $2 million in "charity" (at the most), no tax paid.

This is another area where a Royal Commission is needed.

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Re: The state of Queensland.
Reply #438 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:39am

Bam wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:27am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 7:53am:

Victoria sold its fantastic public owned electricity grid and now it belongs to the Singapore government who saw a great money spinner and have been laughing all the way to the bank ever since . Now that's what I call taking over this country, so you know your talk about the Asian Bankers coming to take over this country unless we vote for conservative govts sounds somewhat hollow. We are losing our country because of the push by conservative govts (mainly LNP) over 3 decades to knock down our trade barriers and sell our govt owned assets. I hope one day the australian community will see this for the betrayal that it was.

People are already waking up to it.

People have rejected the LNP in Queensland for that reason.

And right around the country, people are looking at their electricity bills after the repeal of the carbon "tax" and seeing the price still going up and up.

We need a Royal Commission into the privatisation of assets.

And the return of vital infrastructure that was stolen from us starting with Telstra, Qantas, Commonwealth bank (thanks to Keating) and the airports.

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Reply #439 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:42am

Bam wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:36am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:20am:

Not only that, it is the top end of town get all the handouts:

Not all the handouts, but a lot more than they need.

(note: I rearranged the bullet points for ease of discussion)
Quote:

–diesel fuel rebate
–concessionary tax rate on super contributions, since Howard the super rich can avoid huge amounts of tax
–negative gearing
–concessionary capital gains tax

All of which need to be looked at in the quest for balancing the budget.

Quote:

–get away with transfer pricing
–“Australia tax”

Multinational taxation is a world-wide scourge. The government have identified it as a problem but they are all talk and no walk. What have they done? Nothing!

Quote:

–churches not taxed

Abolish the tax-free status of religious institutions. Allow genuine charitable works to be deducted against the tax at full value. Genuine charities would be unaffected (as long as they spend at least 30% of their income on charitable works) but sham religious organisations that do no real charitable works would start being taxed. Hillsong would be a case in point - $50 million income, $2 million in "charity" (at the most), no tax paid.

This is another area where a Royal Commission is needed.

If we had a direct democracy all these things would be on the table but because we have so called representative govt none of these things are on the table and never will be because our representatives don't represent us or our interests.

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Re: The state of Queensland.
Reply #440 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:02am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:42am:

Bam wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:36am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:20am:

Not only that, it is the top end of town get all the handouts:

Not all the handouts, but a lot more than they need.

(note: I rearranged the bullet points for ease of discussion)
Quote:

–diesel fuel rebate
–concessionary tax rate on super contributions, since Howard the super rich can avoid huge amounts of tax
–negative gearing
–concessionary capital gains tax

All of which need to be looked at in the quest for balancing the budget.

Quote:

–get away with transfer pricing
–“Australia tax”

Multinational taxation is a world-wide scourge. The government have identified it as a problem but they are all talk and no walk. What have they done? Nothing!

Quote:

–churches not taxed

Abolish the tax-free status of religious institutions. Allow genuine charitable works to be deducted against the tax at full value. Genuine charities would be unaffected (as long as they spend at least 30% of their income on charitable works) but sham religious organisations that do no real charitable works would start being taxed. Hillsong would be a case in point - $50 million income, $2 million in "charity" (at the most), no tax paid.

This is another area where a Royal Commission is needed.

If we had a direct democracy all these things would be on the table but because we have so called representative govt none of these things are on the table and never will be because our representatives don't represent us or our interests.

Swan started on quite a bit of this—baby bonus gone, PHC rebate, means tested, some single mums put on NewStart and even the super scam started being tackled only to be reversed by the Libs.

We won’t get Telstra back as such but maybe the NBN should be made unsaleable by referendum and I believe that will pass. Same with power—encourage rooftop and off-grid and coal fired generators become even more the standed fossil assets they are. Also encourage wind and tidal.

A new govt bank based on post offices & medicare offices is possible and help keep bank fees down.

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Re: The state of Queensland.
Reply #442 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:03am

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 7:32am:

No better than a bunch of schoolyard bullies.

But the day of reckoning is coming for the Emma's and pansi's.

No, the day of reckoning is coming for you and your stinking greedy elk. The redistribution of funds, getting our money back from the fraudsters that would take it all, given half a chance. The banksters and the white collar gangsters must be shaking in their shiny corporate shoes. The gap between rich and poor will only ever reach a certain point................BOTR!!!

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Reply #443 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:05am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:03am:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 7:32am:

No better than a bunch of schoolyard bullies.

But the day of reckoning is coming for the Emma's and pansi's.

No, the day of reckoning is coming for you and your stinking greedy elk. The redistribution of funds, getting our money back from the fraudsters that would take it all, given half a chance. The banksters and the white collar gangsters must be shaking in their shiny corporate shoes. The gap between rich and poor will only ever reach a certain point................BOTR!!!

BOTR—juvenile romanticism. There will be no revolution in Australia. There wasn’t even one in Greece.

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Re: The state of Queensland.
Reply #444 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:06am

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:02am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:42am:

Bam wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:36am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 10:20am:

Not only that, it is the top end of town get all the handouts:

Not all the handouts, but a lot more than they need.

(note: I rearranged the bullet points for ease of discussion)
Quote:

–diesel fuel rebate
–concessionary tax rate on super contributions, since Howard the super rich can avoid huge amounts of tax
–negative gearing
–concessionary capital gains tax

All of which need to be looked at in the quest for balancing the budget.

Quote:

–get away with transfer pricing
–“Australia tax”

Multinational taxation is a world-wide scourge. The government have identified it as a problem but they are all talk and no walk. What have they done? Nothing!

Quote:

–churches not taxed

Abolish the tax-free status of religious institutions. Allow genuine charitable works to be deducted against the tax at full value. Genuine charities would be unaffected (as long as they spend at least 30% of their income on charitable works) but sham religious organisations that do no real charitable works would start being taxed. Hillsong would be a case in point - $50 million income, $2 million in "charity" (at the most), no tax paid.

This is another area where a Royal Commission is needed.

If we had a direct democracy all these things would be on the table but because we have so called representative govt none of these things are on the table and never will be because our representatives don't represent us or our interests.

Swan started on quite a bit of this—baby bonus gone, PHC rebate, means tested, some single mums put on NewStart and even the super scam started being tackled only to be reversed by the Libs.

We won’t get Telstra back as such but maybe the NBN should be made unsaleable by referendum and I believe that will pass. Same with power—encourage rooftop and off-grid and coal fired generators become even more the standed fossil assets they are. Also encourage wind and tidal.

A new govt bank based on post offices & medicare offices is possible and help keep bank fees down.

The thing is will Swan's line be embraced by the ALP as the official party line for the next election. The public are ready for it but is the Labor party????

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: The state of Queensland. Reply #445 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:07am No choice if they don’t want to add to the Lib deficit!
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Reply #446 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:15am

George , Bam and Spartacus.

some good thoughts in there.

selling the cow instead of the milk....I like that.
actually we are going to sell the milk direct to china (well Norco are).

youre right of course, only a nut sells their assets to pay for recurring expenses and both sides are doing it.

It is inter generational theft.

I heard a council is considering selling its parking meters to OS interests and from memory newman had the water assets up for sale.

The biggest abbatoir in OZ is now chinese owned. as is the biggest cotton farm

With the agreement on 457 visas, there is now the real prospect (not even a prospect..its already a reality) that the chineese can buy the cane farms, the train tracks, the mill, (produce electricity from the burning of the cane mulch), the port and bring in their own workers. This is lunacy. I heard thru the grapevine they are experimenting with farming crocs in the slightly higher temperature waters outside the mills, more high quality protein for asia.

Its one thing to be the food bowl for asia, its another thing to just sell them the farm and the right to work the land. I actually cant see how an aussie makes one cent out of these operations.

Dreadful stuff and its even more ridiculous that the only people jumping up and down are Katter and The red headed loon from Lockyer.

Where are the nationals FFS

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Reply #447 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 11:33am

The nationals are in the pocket of anyone who will pay them to go to a good wedding.

Wink

Privatisation has gone too far, and this shyte about allowing govt–owned enterprises to buy land and businesses here is lunacy. 457 scheme needs to be abolished, will always be rorted by business!

We have $1.7Trn in super funds under management so we should start being able to fund major developments ourselves.

Be nice to build CSIRO, BuMet and the ABC up again—we will face challenges from global warming, are already doing so. It is not with ignorance and burying our heads in the sand that we can overcome the problems coming our way. The real NBN needs to be run out too, the MTM crap is treason to Australia in my book!

Rescind all FTAs, just more treason to Australian workers.

Rebuild tariff walls to some extent, sick of this country being hollowed out because chinese made rubbish is too easy and cheap to dump here! Further tariff cuts to follow when other countries reduce their tariff walls.

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Reply #448 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 2:42pm

Meanwhile, in breaking news, it seems the PUP candidate in Ferny Grove was/is an undischarged bankrupt, thus disqualifying him from being a candidate. He was also a PUP candidate in the 2013 Federal election, but it is possible the bankruptcy arose in the interim period.

Where to from here? You can bet there will be intense interest given how knife edge things are.

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Reply #449 - Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 9:50pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2015 at 2:42pm:

Meanwhile, in breaking news, it seems the PUP candidate in Ferny Grove was/is an undischarged bankrupt, thus disqualifying him from being a candidate. He was also a PUP candidate in the 2013 Federal election, but it is possible the bankruptcy arose in the interim period.

Where to from here? You can bet there will be intense interest given how knife edge things are.

Why am I not surprised.?
Hopefully it won't be a problem , as long as his primary votes would not affect the overall outcome, I think.
Hmm.

Otherwise..?? we'll all just have to wait and see.

Looked like Pauline had a shot .. again.. we'll have to wait and see.

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