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Re: Where's the double dissolution Tony?
Reply #60 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:16pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:10pm:

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The cynicism was yours and horribly un-informed as well. the CEFC bill was sent early to assist with budget planning as it is a major financial instrument.

But the point remains that there is no DD trigger and never has been.

You do not know that for certain and neither do I as we do not know if the December 2013 Bill was presented again in identical fashion in March, 2014. To take up your logic which is....because there is no schmenia clamour there is no trigger.....the only reason for that is ~ Abbott ensured one would not be created, by cowardly not re-presenting that 2013 Bill or altering it at 2014 re-presentation.

That is an argument simply full of holes. Given the DD promise, the media would be full of articles about it. Do you think the ALP with its current good polls would not be mentioning it? There has been NO discussion of a trigger at all by anyone thus pretty much proving the case.

And Abbott choosing to wait until the next senate is not cowardice; it is common sense. There is zero point in firing all your ammunition - half of it at yourself when the war is ending shortly.

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Re: Where's the double dissolution Tony?
Reply #61 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:30pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:10pm:

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The cynicism was yours and horribly un-informed as well. the CEFC bill was sent early to assist with budget planning as it is a major financial instrument.

But the point remains that there is no DD trigger and never has been.

You do not know that for certain and neither do I as we do not know if the December 2013 Bill was presented again in identical fashion in March, 2014. To take up your logic which is....because there is no schmenia clamour there is no trigger.....the only reason for that is ~ Abbott ensured one would not be created, by cowardly not re-presenting that 2013 Bill or altering it at 2014 re-presentation.

That is an argument simply full of holes. Given the DD promise, the media would be full of articles about it. Do you think the ALP with its current good polls would not be mentioning it? There has been NO discussion of a trigger at all by anyone thus pretty much proving the case.

And Abbott choosing to wait until the next senate is not cowardice; it is common sense. There is zero point in firing all your ammunition - half of it at yourself when the war is ending shortly.

What DD promise?

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Re: Where's the double dissolution Tony?
Reply #62 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:34pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:30pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:10pm:

Quote:

The cynicism was yours and horribly un-informed as well. the CEFC bill was sent early to assist with budget planning as it is a major financial instrument.

But the point remains that there is no DD trigger and never has been.

You do not know that for certain and neither do I as we do not know if the December 2013 Bill was presented again in identical fashion in March, 2014. To take up your logic which is....because there is no schmenia clamour there is no trigger.....the only reason for that is ~ Abbott ensured one would not be created, by cowardly not re-presenting that 2013 Bill or altering it at 2014 re-presentation.

That is an argument simply full of holes. Given the DD promise, the media would be full of articles about it. Do you think the ALP with its current good polls would not be mentioning it? There has been NO discussion of a trigger at all by anyone thus pretty much proving the case.

And Abbott choosing to wait until the next senate is not cowardice; it is common sense. There is zero point in firing all your ammunition - half of it at yourself when the war is ending shortly.

What DD promise?

excuse me...????? I couldn't mean the promise that this entire thread - which you have been heavily engaged in - is based upon??

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Re: Where's the double dissolution Tony?
Reply #63 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:30pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:10pm:

Quote:

The cynicism was yours and horribly un-informed as well. the CEFC bill was sent early to assist with budget planning as it is a major financial instrument.

But the point remains that there is no DD trigger and never has been.

You do not know that for certain and neither do I as we do not know if the December 2013 Bill was presented again in identical fashion in March, 2014. To take up your logic which is....because there is no schmenia clamour there is no trigger.....the only reason for that is ~ Abbott ensured one would not be created, by cowardly not re-presenting that 2013 Bill or altering it at 2014 re-presentation.

That is an argument simply full of holes. Given the DD promise, the media would be full of articles about it. Do you think the ALP with its current good polls would not be mentioning it? There has been NO discussion of a trigger at all by anyone thus pretty much proving the case.

And Abbott choosing to wait until the next senate is not cowardice; it is common sense. There is zero point in firing all your ammunition - half of it at yourself when the war is ending shortly.

What DD promise?

excuse me...????? I couldn't mean the promise that this entire thread - which you have been heavily engaged in - is based upon??

I'm just seeking clarity here. So ~ you obviously accept there was an Abbott DD promise pre the 2013 election on carbon tax repeal. Yes or no.

(No big deal Mr B & B. I'm just making sure I have understood you correctly.)

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Re: Where's the double dissolution Tony?
Reply #64 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:52pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:30pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:10pm:

Quote:

The cynicism was yours and horribly un-informed as well. the CEFC bill was sent early to assist with budget planning as it is a major financial instrument.

But the point remains that there is no DD trigger and never has been.

You do not know that for certain and neither do I as we do not know if the December 2013 Bill was presented again in identical fashion in March, 2014. To take up your logic which is....because there is no schmenia clamour there is no trigger.....the only reason for that is ~ Abbott ensured one would not be created, by cowardly not re-presenting that 2013 Bill or altering it at 2014 re-presentation.

That is an argument simply full of holes. Given the DD promise, the media would be full of articles about it. Do you think the ALP with its current good polls would not be mentioning it? There has been NO discussion of a trigger at all by anyone thus pretty much proving the case.

And Abbott choosing to wait until the next senate is not cowardice; it is common sense. There is zero point in firing all your ammunition - half of it at yourself when the war is ending shortly.

What DD promise?

excuse me...????? I couldn't mean the promise that this entire thread - which you have been heavily engaged in - is based upon??

I'm just seeking clarity here. So ~ you obviously accept there was an Abbott DD promise pre the 2013 election on carbon tax repeal. Yes or no.

(No big deal Mr B & B. I'm just making sure I have understood you correctly.)

Oh good grief. The comment was made repeatedly and in daylight. Maybe that confuses the political biased and daft souls on here, but not me.

I must admit though that I almost relish the opportunity to witness the inevitable faux-cries of 'liar' from the Labor supporters if he didn't while completely forgetting the Carbon Tax lie. It would be fun just to watch the various hypocrites in full-flight!

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Re: Where's the double dissolution Tony?
Reply #65 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 5:00pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:30pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:10pm:

Quote:

The cynicism was yours and horribly un-informed as well. the CEFC bill was sent early to assist with budget planning as it is a major financial instrument.

But the point remains that there is no DD trigger and never has been.

You do not know that for certain and neither do I as we do not know if the December 2013 Bill was presented again in identical fashion in March, 2014. To take up your logic which is....because there is no schmenia clamour there is no trigger.....the only reason for that is ~ Abbott ensured one would not be created, by cowardly not re-presenting that 2013 Bill or altering it at 2014 re-presentation.

That is an argument simply full of holes. Given the DD promise, the media would be full of articles about it. Do you think the ALP with its current good polls would not be mentioning it? There has been NO discussion of a trigger at all by anyone thus pretty much proving the case.

And Abbott choosing to wait until the next senate is not cowardice; it is common sense. There is zero point in firing all your ammunition - half of it at yourself when the war is ending shortly.

What DD promise?

excuse me...????? I couldn't mean the promise that this entire thread - which you have been heavily engaged in - is based upon??

I'm just seeking clarity here. So ~ you obviously accept there was an Abbott DD promise pre the 2013 election on carbon tax repeal. Yes or no.

(No big deal Mr B & B. I'm just making sure I have understood you correctly.)

Oh good grief. The comment was made repeatedly and in daylight. Maybe that confuses the political biased and daft souls on here, but not me.

I must admit though that I almost relish the opportunity to witness the inevitable faux-cries of 'liar' from the Labor supporters if he didn't while completely forgetting the Carbon Tax lie. It would be fun just to watch the various hypocrites in full-flight!

Okay, settle down. You agree there was an Abbott promised DD if he did not get his carbon tax repeal through. Jolly good. Now we have that set in concrete, what was it you were referring to when you posted this, in this Thread, today:

Quote:

And before you go on your predictable rant, it is not a breach of electoral promise either.

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Re: Where's the double dissolution Tony?
Reply #66 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 5:05pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 5:00pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:52pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:45pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:34pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:30pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:10pm:

Quote:

The cynicism was yours and horribly un-informed as well. the CEFC bill was sent early to assist with budget planning as it is a major financial instrument.

But the point remains that there is no DD trigger and never has been.

You do not know that for certain and neither do I as we do not know if the December 2013 Bill was presented again in identical fashion in March, 2014. To take up your logic which is....because there is no schmenia clamour there is no trigger.....the only reason for that is ~ Abbott ensured one would not be created, by cowardly not re-presenting that 2013 Bill or altering it at 2014 re-presentation.

That is an argument simply full of holes. Given the DD promise, the media would be full of articles about it. Do you think the ALP with its current good polls would not be mentioning it? There has been NO discussion of a trigger at all by anyone thus pretty much proving the case.

And Abbott choosing to wait until the next senate is not cowardice; it is common sense. There is zero point in firing all your ammunition - half of it at yourself when the war is ending shortly.

What DD promise?

excuse me...????? I couldn't mean the promise that this entire thread - which you have been heavily engaged in - is based upon??

I'm just seeking clarity here. So ~ you obviously accept there was an Abbott DD promise pre the 2013 election on carbon tax repeal. Yes or no.

(No big deal Mr B & B. I'm just making sure I have understood you correctly.)

Oh good grief. The comment was made repeatedly and in daylight. Maybe that confuses the political biased and daft souls on here, but not me.

I must admit though that I almost relish the opportunity to witness the inevitable faux-cries of 'liar' from the Labor supporters if he didn't while completely forgetting the Carbon Tax lie. It would be fun just to watch the various hypocrites in full-flight!

Okay, settle down. You agree there was an Abbott promised DD if he did not get his carbon tax repeal through. Jolly good. Now we have that set in concrete, what was it you were referring to when you posted this, in this Thread, today:

Quote:

And before you go on your predictable rant, it is not a breach of electoral promise either.

I have fouroptions to answer here. I could
1) be honest
2) be greggary
3) be Kat
4) be a PUP supporter

okay...
1) yes, I was uninformed and wrong and probably because it was such a low agenda item in the election. Im pretty sure I don't know all election promises for every party and nor do you
2) be greggary and posta picture and hope no one notices how I was owned
3) be Kat and simply abuse
4) be a PUP supporter and somehow construe this as a massive support of the PUP position. No one has ever accused Palmer or his supporters of political brilliance. Look at the rugby guy and the motoring enthusiast senators. They given guide dogs to help them find their seats.

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Re: Where's the double dissolution Tony?
Reply #67 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 5:40pm

Or you could explain how at 2.54 pm today you said:

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....not an election promise.

And at 3.16 pm today you said:

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..given the DD promise,

......and you eloquently told us how widely the DD promise was reported.

Turn it up. There is something very suss about that sort of wild 180 degree contradiction. You would not be sharing that account, would you?

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