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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38765 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #120 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:08pm Quote: The issu of boat people is complex but I am constantly surprised by people who demand we let them in, all of them, all the time. Who is making those several demands, or are you just making all that up?
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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #121 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:09pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

"Nobody in this forum is presuming they are all innocent. "

Yes, I think this strawman presumption serves the hysteria and masks its origins by deflecting from the root cause of the anachronistic fear of certain people 'invading from the north by boat'.

I don't think anybody here would agree that people should attempt a dangerous sea crossing... Or that people smugglers should profit from the trade.

So since you don't think they are all innocent why are you so disinterested in controlling it? I find those two positions at odds with each other.

Where did he demonstrate a disinterest in controlling it?

its typical B&B debating ... as soon as he feels he is losing an argument he tries to take it in a different direction ... it doesn't have to make sense, not even to him

I am starting to realise that you don't easily follow arguments, especially complex ones.

The issu of boat people is complex but I am constantly surprised by people who demand we let them in, all of them, all the time. But when I ask how many we should let in they go silent, just as they have now. Because even the desperately uninformed know that there are tens of millions of people who would happily leave their wretched lands and come here.

So how many people? Got any clues?

Don't tell lies.

Who has ever demanded "we let them in, all of them, all the time."

People are demanding that asylums seekers be treated with respect and not abused or locked up indefinitely

They have committed no crime. They should have their claims assessed - and if they are not refugees - then deported. What is difficult about that? After all - it is our legal obligation.

Deported to where? no one will take them back.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #122 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:10pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

So still no numbers about how many we should let in?hmm?

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

besides, I gave you an answer earlier ... you just chose to ignore it

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

at the moment the limit is set to just over 13 000 a year, but I think that should go up to at the very least 20 000.

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Reply #123 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:11pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

People are demanding that asylums seekers be treated with respect and not abused or locked up indefinitely

They have committed no crime. They should have their claims assessed - and if they are not refugees - then deported.

Yep, 100% agree.

I'm not aware of anyone on here who's asking more than that.

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Reply #124 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:12pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

just as i realised you suffer from a lack of basic comprehension
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show me one person who has said we let them ALL in?

besides, I gave you an answer earlier ... you just chose to ignore it

Yes, these strawman arguments are bemusing and reinforce my suspicion of their true purpose.

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Reply #125 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:12pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

"Nobody in this forum is presuming they are all innocent. "

Yes, I think this strawman presumption serves the hysteria and masks its origins by deflecting from the root cause of the anachronistic fear of certain people 'invading from the north by boat'.

I don't think anybody here would agree that people should attempt a dangerous sea crossing... Or that people smugglers should profit from the trade.

So since you don't think they are all innocent why are you so disinterested in controlling it? I find those two positions at odds with each other.

Where did he demonstrate a disinterest in controlling it?

its typical B&B debating ... as soon as he feels he is losing an argument he tries to take it in a different direction ... it doesn't have to make sense, not even to him

I am starting to realise that you don't easily follow arguments, especially complex ones.

The issu of boat people is complex but I am constantly surprised by people who demand we let them in, all of them, all the time. But when I ask how many we should let in they go silent, just as they have now. Because even the desperately uninformed know that there are tens of millions of people who would happily leave their wretched lands and come here.

So how many people? Got any clues?

Don't tell lies.

Who has ever demanded "we let them in, all of them, all the time."

People are demanding that asylums seekers be treated with respect and not abused or locked up indefinitely

They have committed no crime. They should have their claims assessed - and if they are not refugees - then deported. What is difficult about that? After all - it is our legal obligation.

Deported to where? no one will take them back.

First explain why you told a lie.

Who has ever demanded "we let them in, all of them, all the time."

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #126 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:12pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

"Nobody in this forum is presuming they are all innocent. "

Yes, I think this strawman presumption serves the hysteria and masks its origins by deflecting from the root cause of the anachronistic fear of certain people 'invading from the north by boat'.

I don't think anybody here would agree that people should attempt a dangerous sea crossing... Or that people smugglers should profit from the trade.

So since you don't think they are all innocent why are you so disinterested in controlling it? I find those two positions at odds with each other.

Where did he demonstrate a disinterest in controlling it?

its typical B&B debating ... as soon as he feels he is losing an argument he tries to take it in a different direction ... it doesn't have to make sense, not even to him

I am starting to realise that you don't easily follow arguments, especially complex ones.

The issu of boat people is complex but I am constantly surprised by people who demand we let them in, all of them, all the time. But when I ask how many we should let in they go silent, just as they have now. Because even the desperately uninformed know that there are tens of millions of people who would happily leave their wretched lands and come here.

So how many people? Got any clues?

Don't tell lies.

Who has ever demanded "we let them in, all of them, all the time."

People are demanding that asylums seekers be treated with respect and not abused or locked up indefinitely

They have committed no crime. They should have their claims assessed - and if they are not refugees - then deported. What is difficult about that? After all - it is our legal obligation.

Deported to where? no one will take them back.

to assess their claim for asylum you need to either prove or disprove that they are genuine asylum seekers ... if you can do that you can prove their country of origin ... once you can prove it the country has no choice but to take them back

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137785 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #127 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:13pm Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:07pm: So still no numbers about how many we should let in? hmm? I don't have an arbitrary number in mind? Do you? Without an arbitrary number, does that mean we should stop processing all asylum seeker claims?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38765 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #128 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:14pm Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:07pm: So still no numbers about how many we should let in? hmm? Even the Parties cannot agree on that number, so how do you expect Members here to offer a sensible response other than ~ whatever number reflects that we are pulling our weight internationally.
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Reply #129 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

So still no numbers about how many we should let in?

hmm?

Even the Parties cannot agree on that number, so how do you expect Members here to offer a sensible response other than ~ whatever number reflects that we are pulling our weight internationally.

As I thought. This has nothing whatsoever to do with boat people or refugees or anything like it. It is an Abbott policy therefore you are duty bound by your mindless allegiances to oppose it.

You have no numbers because you have no plan. You have no numbers because you have not thought this out in any real way.

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not. We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

Increase the numbers of refuges to 30,000pa. Send planes to pick them up. But have ID and background checks first.

You can actually be compassionate and not stupid at the same time you know.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74644 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #130 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm B&B contiually goes on about the lack of a number as if it means something, and yet continues to ignore the number i gave him, twice ... are you worried your arguments won't stand up B&B?
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Reply #131 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not.

The majority of boat people are granted genuine refugee status.

Why do you choose to ignore this fact?

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #132 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:25pm Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm: Increase the numbers of refuges to 30,000pa. Send planes to pick them up. But have ID and background checks first. A plane to pick them up?? Why not a boat??!! (and this time, please try to see the ironic humour before your right brain shuts down!!).
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Reply #133 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:25pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

So still no numbers about how many we should let in?

hmm?

Even the Parties cannot agree on that number, so how do you expect Members here to offer a sensible response other than ~ whatever number reflects that we are pulling our weight internationally.

As I thought. This has nothing whatsoever to do with boat people or refugees or anything like it. It is an Abbott policy therefore you are duty bound by your mindless allegiances to oppose it.

You have no numbers because you have no plan. You have no numbers because you have not thought this out in any real way.

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not. We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

Increase the numbers of refuges to 30,000pa. Send planes to pick them up. But have ID and background checks first.

You can actually be compassionate and not stupid at the same time you know.

Abbott's Operation Sovereign Borders 'Policy' is illegal, and go read my Posts of the past about that, because I'm not about to go over it all again just for you.

Yeas, I agree. Plane/safe boat them in, and plane/safe boat the false claimants out. That (planes) is PUP Policy, by the way.

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Reply #134 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

One? Really? Oh dear.

Do you know if any have ever entered a country by plane, using passports and visas?

I would think not, wouldn't you?

I mean, if they had done, we would have to stop the planes. Wouldn't we? Hmmm?

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