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Reply #135 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Increase the numbers of refuges to 30,000pa. Send planes to pick them up. But have ID and background checks first.

You can actually be compassionate and not stupid at the same time you know.

First sensible thing you have said.

Good to see you essentially endorse the policies of The Greens. I hope you tell all of your friends to vote for them.

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Reply #136 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not.

The majority of boat people are granted genuine refugee status.

Why do you choose to ignore this fact?

Excellent point. Mr B & B is prejudiced.

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Reply #137 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:30pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

So still no numbers about how many we should let in?

hmm?

Even the Parties cannot agree on that number, so how do you expect Members here to offer a sensible response other than ~ whatever number reflects that we are pulling our weight internationally.

As I thought. This has nothing whatsoever to do with boat people or refugees or anything like it. It is an Abbott policy therefore you are duty bound by your mindless allegiances to oppose it.

You have no numbers because you have no plan. You have no numbers because you have not thought this out in any real way.

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not. We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

Increase the numbers of refuges to 30,000pa. Send planes to pick them up. But have ID and background checks first.

You can actually be compassionate and not stupid at the same time you know.

Abbott's Operation Sovereign Borders 'Policy' is illegal, and go read my Posts of the past about that, because I'm not about to go over it all again just for you.

Yeas, I agree. Plane/safe boat them in, and plane/safe boat the false claimants out. That (planes) is PUP Policy, by the way.

'Plane them out' to where? as pointed out before there is no where that will take them which of course is the entire purpose behind people smuggling knowing that once they are here there is nowhere else to go.

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Reply #138 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:31pm

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not.

The majority of boat people are granted genuine refugee status.

Why do you choose to ignore this fact?

Excellent point. Mr B & B is prejudiced.

Perhaps he missed one of my previous posts:

"A report by the Lowy Institute says boat people are more likely to be recognised as refugees than asylum seekers who arrive by air. It says: "Arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not".

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2011/06/17/factbox-numbers-behind-asylum-deba...

Maybe he'll read it this time.

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Reply #139 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:33pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

So still no numbers about how many we should let in?

hmm?

Even the Parties cannot agree on that number, so how do you expect Members here to offer a sensible response other than ~ whatever number reflects that we are pulling our weight internationally.

As I thought. This has nothing whatsoever to do with boat people or refugees or anything like it. It is an Abbott policy therefore you are duty bound by your mindless allegiances to oppose it.

You have no numbers because you have no plan. You have no numbers because you have not thought this out in any real way.

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not. We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

Increase the numbers of refuges to 30,000pa. Send planes to pick them up. But have ID and background checks first.

You can actually be compassionate and not stupid at the same time you know.

Abbott's Operation Sovereign Borders 'Policy' is illegal, and go read my Posts of the past about that, because I'm not about to go over it all again just for you.

Yeas, I agree. Plane/safe boat them in, and plane/safe boat the false claimants out. That (planes) is PUP Policy, by the way.

'Plane them out' to where? as pointed out before there is no where that will take them which of course is the entire purpose behind people smuggling knowing that once they are here there is nowhere else to go.

We are still waiting for you to explain why you felt the need to tell a lie.

Who has ever demanded "we let them in, all of them, all the time."

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #140 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

One? Really? Oh dear.

Do you know if any have ever entered a country by plane, using passports and visas?

I would think not, wouldn't you?

I mean, if they had done, we would have to stop the planes. Wouldn't we? Hmmm?

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/fbi_hijackers.jpg

so just one terrorist is okay? and if this one terrorist decides to bomb a preschool that's okay by you? yes, that is a worst-case example, but it is not unprecedented.

Your attitude seems to give zero concern whatsoever to the background or intentions of people that come here. Why is that?

And while I cant find the link, I believe one other person given refugee status after arriving by boat was convicted with 5 others of conspiracy to commit terrorism.

No ID, no asylum. easy to understand and after 100 days, it seems the message is getting across.

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Reply #142 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:36pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

B&B contiually goes on about the lack of a number as if it means something, and yet continues to ignore the number i gave him, twice ... are you worried your arguments won't stand up B&B?

I think if this went on long enough and straw became a scarce commodity, I think we'd find that the true argument is just rebirthed "Yellow-Perilism".

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Reply #143 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not.

The majority of boat people are granted genuine refugee status.

Why do you choose to ignore this fact?

Excellent point. Mr B & B is prejudiced.

Perhaps he missed one of my previous posts:

"A report by the Lowy Institute says boat people are more likely to be recognised as refugees than asylum seekers who arrive by air. It says: "Arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not".

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2011/06/17/factbox-numbers-behind-asylum-deba...

Maybe he'll read it this time.

But the difference is those coming my plane have visas and ID. that is an exceedingly big difference. and we gave them permission to arrive - another big difference. I don't see why our right to sovereignty is so ignored by you regardless of reason. You cant arrive in anyone else's country without permission either.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #144 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

B&B contiually goes on about the lack of a number as if it means something, and yet continues to ignore the number i gave him, twice ... are you worried your arguments won't stand up B&B?

I think if this went on long enough and straw became a scarce commodity, I think we'd find that the true argument is just rebirthed "Yellow-Perilism".

maybe you should change that to islamic-perilism

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Reply #145 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

One? Really? Oh dear.

Do you know if any have ever entered a country by plane, using passports and visas?

I would think not, wouldn't you?

I mean, if they had done, we would have to stop the planes. Wouldn't we? Hmmm?

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/fbi_hijackers.jpg

so just one terrorist is okay? and if this one terrorist decides to bomb a preschool that's okay by you?

No. I never said any such thing.

It's become clear to us all now that whenever you're backed into a corner, you simply lie.

It didn't take long to figure out your game.

Here's some friendly advice: stick to the facts, and don't make up lies when your "argument" is shot to pieces.

You're off to a very bad start; let's hope your standards improve a little in the future.

(Just stop with the lies)

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Reply #146 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

So still no numbers about how many we should let in?

hmm?

Even the Parties cannot agree on that number, so how do you expect Members here to offer a sensible response other than ~ whatever number reflects that we are pulling our weight internationally.

As I thought. This has nothing whatsoever to do with boat people or refugees or anything like it. It is an Abbott policy therefore you are duty bound by your mindless allegiances to oppose it.

You have no numbers because you have no plan. You have no numbers because you have not thought this out in any real way.

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not. We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

Increase the numbers of refuges to 30,000pa. Send planes to pick them up. But have ID and background checks first.

You can actually be compassionate and not stupid at the same time you know.

Abbott's Operation Sovereign Borders 'Policy' is illegal, and go read my Posts of the past about that, because I'm not about to go over it all again just for you.

Yeas, I agree. Plane/safe boat them in, and plane/safe boat the false claimants out. That (planes) is PUP Policy, by the way.

'Plane them out' to where? as pointed out before there is no where that will take them which of course is the entire purpose behind people smuggling knowing that once they are here there is nowhere else to go.

We are still waiting for you to explain why you felt the need to tell a lie.

Who has ever demanded "we let them in, all of them, all the time."

Are you saying we should stop the boats or not. Please answer.

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Reply #147 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not.

The majority of boat people are granted genuine refugee status.

Why do you choose to ignore this fact?

Excellent point. Mr B & B is prejudiced.

Perhaps he missed one of my previous posts:

"A report by the Lowy Institute says boat people are more likely to be recognised as refugees than asylum seekers who arrive by air. It says: "Arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not".

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2011/06/17/factbox-numbers-behind-asylum-deba...

Maybe he'll read it this time.

But the difference is those coming my plane have visas and ID. that is an exceedingly big difference. and we gave them permission to arrive - another big difference. I don't see why our right to sovereignty is so ignored by you regardless of reason. You cant arrive in anyone else's country without permission either.

"A report by the Lowy Institute says boat people are more likely to be recognised as refugees than asylum seekers who arrive by air. It says: "Arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not".

What part of that don't you understand?

Seriously? Roll Eyes

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #148 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

But the difference is those coming my plane have visas and ID. that is an exceedingly big difference. and we gave them permission to arrive - another big difference. I don't see why our right to sovereignty is so ignored by you regardless of reason. You cant arrive in anyone else's country without permission either.

so terrorism is Ok as long as we give them permission to enter?

please stop using terrorism as your excuse, its only making you look more desperate Grin

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Reply #149 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

One? Really? Oh dear.

Do you know if any have ever entered a country by plane, using passports and visas?

I would think not, wouldn't you?

I mean, if they had done, we would have to stop the planes. Wouldn't we? Hmmm?

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/fbi_hijackers.jpg

so just one terrorist is okay? and if this one terrorist decides to bomb a preschool that's okay by you?

No. I never said any such thing.

It's become clear to us all now that whenever you're backed into a corner, you simply lie.

It didn't take long to figure out your game.

Here's some friendly advice: stick to the facts, and don't make up lies when your "argument" is shot to pieces.

You're off to a very bad start; let's hope your standards improve a little in the future.

(Just stop with the lies)

I refer you to the highlight and ask you to explain how that was anything but a callous disregard for the fact that at least one terrorist has come by boat. It is in fact exactly what I said which was that you really don't care at all if terrorists come by boat.

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