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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #150 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not.

The majority of boat people are granted genuine refugee status.

Why do you choose to ignore this fact?

Excellent point. Mr B & B is prejudiced.

Perhaps he missed one of my previous posts:

"A report by the Lowy Institute says boat people are more likely to be recognised as refugees than asylum seekers who arrive by air. It says: "Arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not".

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2011/06/17/factbox-numbers-behind-asylum-deba...

Maybe he'll read it this time.

But the difference is those coming my plane have visas and ID. that is an exceedingly big difference. and we gave them permission to arrive - another big difference. I don't see why our right to sovereignty is so ignored by you regardless of reason. You cant arrive in anyone else's country without permission either.

"A report by the Lowy Institute says boat people are more likely to be recognised as refugees than asylum seekers who arrive by air. It says: "Arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not".

What part of that don't you understand?

Seriously? Roll Eyes

What part of 'understand' do you think must necessarily impute 'agreement'? It was an OPINION article and one with which I disagree.

You claim to be good with words, but it is also apparent you don't quite understand any thoughts and opinions different to your own.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #151 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:43pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

So still no numbers about how many we should let in?

hmm?

Even the Parties cannot agree on that number, so how do you expect Members here to offer a sensible response other than ~ whatever number reflects that we are pulling our weight internationally.

As I thought. This has nothing whatsoever to do with boat people or refugees or anything like it. It is an Abbott policy therefore you are duty bound by your mindless allegiances to oppose it.

You have no numbers because you have no plan. You have no numbers because you have not thought this out in any real way.

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not. We already have one confirmed example of a terrorist arriving this way so why are you so intent on more?

Increase the numbers of refuges to 30,000pa. Send planes to pick them up. But have ID and background checks first.

You can actually be compassionate and not stupid at the same time you know.

Abbott's Operation Sovereign Borders 'Policy' is illegal, and go read my Posts of the past about that, because I'm not about to go over it all again just for you.

Yeas, I agree. Plane/safe boat them in, and plane/safe boat the false claimants out. That (planes) is PUP Policy, by the way.

'Plane them out' to where? as pointed out before there is no where that will take them which of course is the entire purpose behind people smuggling knowing that once they are here there is nowhere else to go.

We are still waiting for you to explain why you felt the need to tell a lie.

Who has ever demanded "we let them in, all of them, all the time."

Are you saying we should stop the boats or not. Please answer.

You have been caught telling a lie.

Who has ever demanded "we let them in, all of them, all the time."

Explain yourself or apologise for telling lies to the forum.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #152 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:44pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

B&B contiually goes on about the lack of a number as if it means something, and yet continues to ignore the number i gave him, twice ... are you worried your arguments won't stand up B&B?

I think if this went on long enough and straw became a scarce commodity, I think we'd find that the true argument is just rebirthed "Yellow-Perilism".

maybe you should change that to islamic-perilism

Yes, maybe... Although weren't those Sri Lankan 'boat people' Hindus?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40754 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #153 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:44pm asylum seekers arrive by air legally. We can deport them ASAP, the y have visas, passports. Asylum seekers arrive by boat illegally. they are illegals.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74631 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #154 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:44pm Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:40pm: It is in fact exactly what I said which was that you really don't care at all if terrorists come by boat using that logic, you simply don't care how many terrorist come and how many they kill, as long as they come by plane ....
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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #155 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:45pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

But the difference is those coming my plane have visas and ID. that is an exceedingly big difference. and we gave them permission to arrive - another big difference. I don't see why our right to sovereignty is so ignored by you regardless of reason. You cant arrive in anyone else's country without permission either.

so terrorism is Ok as long as we give them permission to enter?

please stop using terrorism as your excuse, its only making you look more desperate Grin

His obsession with "terrorists on boats" is quite alarming, to say the least.

I find it astonishing that the brainwashing (and I use the term 'brain' advisedly) has worked so well on some people.

I suppose some enjoy the taste more than others.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #157 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:45pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

B&B contiually goes on about the lack of a number as if it means something, and yet continues to ignore the number i gave him, twice ... are you worried your arguments won't stand up B&B?

I think if this went on long enough and straw became a scarce commodity, I think we'd find that the true argument is just rebirthed "Yellow-Perilism".

maybe you should change that to islamic-perilism

Yes, maybe... Although weren't those Sri Lankan 'boat people' Hindus?

do you think B&B and his ilk know the difference? ..

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 137763 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #158 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:46pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:44pm: asylum seekers arrive by air legally. We can deport them ASAP, the y have visas, passports. Asylum seekers arrive by boat illegally. they are illegals. Incorrect. Nice try though. "illegals"
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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #159 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:46pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

They have committed no crime. They should have their claims assessed - and if they are not refugees - then deported. What is difficult about that? After all - it is our legal obligation.

Deported to where? no one will take them back.

That's only because Britain and Australia have not made their yearly millions in Foreign Aid a bargaining tool.

It's utterly absurd that while Australian and British soldiers are dying in Afghanistan to save the current Afghan government from being swept aside by the Taliban, meanwhile Afghan President Hamid Karzai is refusing to accept unsuccessful Afghan asylum-seekers back into the country.

That's a measure of just how ridiculous we and the Brits are to still be on the ground in that country. And then the current Afghan government receives a huge amount of Western funding way beyond the Foreign Aid.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #160 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:47pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

asylum seekers arrive by air legally.
We can deport them ASAP, the y have visas, passports.

Given those ID papers are not forged or stolen... Or provided by a hostile government infiltrating Australia.

An example of blind faith in bureaucratic paraphernalia... (i.e. paper never lies).

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #161 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:48pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

It is in fact exactly what I said which was that you really don't care at all if terrorists come by boat

using that logic, you simply don't care how many terrorist come and how many they kill, as long as they come by plane ....

Yep.

A plane ticket, along with a passport and visa, makes it all OK.

Can you believe the "logic" of these irrational bigots? Roll Eyes

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #163 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:52pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:44pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

B&B contiually goes on about the lack of a number as if it means something, and yet continues to ignore the number i gave him, twice ... are you worried your arguments won't stand up B&B?

I think if this went on long enough and straw became a scarce commodity, I think we'd find that the true argument is just rebirthed "Yellow-Perilism".

maybe you should change that to islamic-perilism

Yes, maybe... Although weren't those Sri Lankan 'boat people' Hindus?

do you think B&B and his ilk know the difference? ..

I'm not sure it would matter. They arrived on a boat from Asia... That is the heart of the hysteria.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #164 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:53pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:37pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 2:20pm:

I actually support increasing our refugee numbers. I however oppose boat people. I have an implicit mistrust of people who come illegally and without ID and wonder exactly whey you do not.

The majority of boat people are granted genuine refugee status.

Why do you choose to ignore this fact?

Excellent point. Mr B & B is prejudiced.

Perhaps he missed one of my previous posts:

"A report by the Lowy Institute says boat people are more likely to be recognised as refugees than asylum seekers who arrive by air. It says: "Arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not".

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2011/06/17/factbox-numbers-behind-asylum-deba...

Maybe he'll read it this time.

But the difference is those coming my plane have visas and ID. that is an exceedingly big difference. and we gave them permission to arrive - another big difference. I don't see why our right to sovereignty is so ignored by you regardless of reason. You cant arrive in anyone else's country without permission either.

"A report by the Lowy Institute says boat people are more likely to be recognised as refugees than asylum seekers who arrive by air. It says: "Arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not".

What part of that don't you understand?

Seriously? Roll Eyes

What part of 'understand' do you think must necessarily impute 'agreement'? It was an OPINION article and one with which I disagree.

You claim to be good with words, but it is also apparent you don't quite understand any thoughts and opinions different to your own.

Cold hard facts here; not opinion:

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/statistics/asylum/_files/asylum-stats-...

The majority of boat people are granted genuine refugee status.

What do you have to say for yourself?

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