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jiminy cricket Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 81 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #240 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:50pm I don't care whether you think they are not illegal. They arrived on our shores without invitation. They are locked up.thats all that matters. You seem to have a problem with that. Too bad.
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Reply #241 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:52pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:34pm:

We have a Government that has demonised asylum seekers by identifying them as illegals and undesirables to justify the inhumane treatment we are applying to them!!!

We have a Government that is refusing to disclose what is happening to these people with no accountability or scrutiny disguised under the banner of operational security!!!

We have a Government that is placing these people in inhumane camps with no plan for their future and no consideration for their long term resettlement!!!

We have a Government that has overseen riots and a murder in detention that is refusing to answer questions or hold an independent inquiry to establish the truth and bring those responsible to account!!!

We have a Government that is ignoring accusations of torture and abuse by our military and brushing them off as lies without establishing if there is and validity to these alleged crimes!!!

We have a Government that is turning asylum seekers back to a country that is not a signatory to the refugee convention with little regard to their welfare or legitimate claim to seek asylum!!!

We have a Government that is ignoring a long held convention introduced to protect people fleeing persecution to countries who have agreed to assess their claims to asylum and respect their human rights!!!

After WW11 the world vowed to never let this happen again...It would appear we have regressed further than we thought under this Government!!!

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The only freedom which deserves the name, is that of pursuing our own good in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it.
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Boat people claiming to be asylum seekers employ criminal people smugglers and partake willingly in their criminal acts aiding and abetting them.. fact...
They have failed the character test.

This is a misrepresentation of the truth and ignores the fact that many asylum seekers have been arriving in Australia by boat for decades and had their asylum claims processed in accordance with conventions Australia agreed to adhere to.....The fact they must pay people to bring them to Australia is not illegal and addressed in the refugee convention that specifically states that the mode of entry should not detract from refugees rights to seek asylum and have their claims processed in accordance with agreed convention.....It would be no different from paying a camel herder to gain passage across a desert or paying a fisherman to carry you across a sea to seek safe haven.....The character test you speak of is never tested and means nothing without being assessed and decided on individual merits....Your argument does not stack up against the truth and conventions agreed to by this nation.....In other words it is a bullshit argument used to justify the persecution of innocent people who where once welcome in this country!!!

Smiley

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137785 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #242 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:52pm jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:50pm: I don't care whether you think they are not illegal. They arrived on our shores without invitation. They are locked up.thats all that matters. You seem to have a problem with that. Too bad. What law have they broken?
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Reply #243 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:52pm:

[quote author=jiminy_cricket link=1396098568/240#240 date=1396176634]I don't care whether you think they are not illegal.

Prove me wrong, by telling us all what law it is that they've broken.

And, by breaking this (imaginary) law, what exactly do they become?

Illegal immigrants? Illegal boat people? Illegal asylum seekers? Illegal refugees? Illegal .... Undecided

At the very least, can you tell us which Act it is that they are charged under?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137785 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #244 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:59pm jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:50pm: You seem to have a problem with that. Too bad. Locking up people who haven't broken any laws? Yeah, I have a problem with that. However, you could put my mind at ease by simply explaining to me what law it is they have (supposedly) broken. Over to you then ...
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Oliver Q New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #245 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:04pm Unfortunately the overzealous moderation here has precluded the other poster from replying to Greg. You can put this down to this forum once again being biased and full of its own self importance.
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Reply #246 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:05pm

not sure why anyone bothers arguing with jiminy. ... all he does is repeat the same crap the libs have been telling him with no concern for truth .... nothing anyone else says, and no facts presented to him will ever change his tune.

He likes living in a make believe world ... reality has been harsh on him

Let me guess Jiminy cricket ... Abbott is your pinocchio?

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Oliver Q New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #247 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:07pm Its a shame no one has beaten the everliving dickhead out of you Smith. I'd be happy to oblige.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74644 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #248 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:08pm Oliver Q wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:07pm: Its a shame no one has beaten the everliving dickhead out of you Smith. I'd be happy to oblige. ohhhhh , I'm shaking
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Oliver Q New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #249 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:10pm So you should be you gutless little ALP supporting pissant.
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Reply #250 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:13pm

Oliver Q wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:07pm:

Its a shame no one has beaten the everliving dickhead out of you Smith. I'd be happy to oblige.

Jiminy gets banned, makes a sock called Oliver Q, and then proceeds to make violent threats against a forum member.

What is this place coming to?

You lost the argument Jiminy: be a man about it, F F S.

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Reply #251 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:15pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:41pm:

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:08pm:

Can we just use "illegals" ? Everyone knows who we mean.

Overstayers?

Overstayers are the ones with visas and papers and if they escape into the community we know who they are and they can't get the dole. The illegals are the ones who want to bypass all that, grab the social security reference number and head straight to the centrelink office while they try and bring in their wife and 8 kids so their pension cheque gets up into 4 figures.

They are two distinctly different groups that the bedwetters like to conflate for obvious reasons.

Are you saying overstayers are not 'illegals'?

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Oliver Q New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #252 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:15pm The argument wasn't lost. Your overzealous moderation brought one side of it to an end. That isn't a victory on your part. That is just a shoddyforum. No wonder you llike it here.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74644 Gender:	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #253 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:17pm Oliver Q wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:10pm: So you should be you gutless little ALP supporting pissant. real tough guy staring at a monior aren't you ... careful you don't break your nails using your keyboard
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Reply #254 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:18pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:15pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:41pm:

jiminy cricket wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 8:08pm:

Can we just use "illegals" ? Everyone knows who we mean.

Overstayers?

Overstayers are the ones with visas and papers and if they escape into the community we know who they are and they can't get the dole. The illegals are the ones who want to bypass all that, grab the social security reference number and head straight to the centrelink office while they try and bring in their wife and 8 kids so their pension cheque gets up into 4 figures.

They are two distinctly different groups that the bedwetters like to conflate for obvious reasons.

Are you saying overstayers are not 'illegals'?

In the spirit of Animal Farm along the lines of which this forum seems to be run, Some are more illegal than others

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