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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #30 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:12am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

"100 days without illegals"

Incorrect.

They still come by plane.

There's a sucker born every minute.

The ones who come by plane and overstay their Visa period aren't generally a big worry for authorities.

This will be in the running for the funniest post of the year.

Well done, AP. Well done.

No, you get that award every time you come up with some lame excuse as to why those people who come by boat are not illegal immigrants, LMAO!!! Grin

No excuse needed: they aren't illegal immigrants.

This is not merely my subjective opinion: it's an indisputable fact.

Keep digging that hole though.

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Reply #31 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:17am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

The ones who come by plane and overstay their Visa period aren't generally a big worry for authorities.

Or Australians, it seems.

That's because they're obedient little vegemites.

They've only been told to be frightened of boat people.

Being concerned about anything other than what the government and the media tell them to be concerned with, would involve thinking for themselves.

Now come on, do you really expect people like AP, Soren, et al. to think for themselves?

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #32 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:35am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

"The 58,400 foreign citizens hiding illegally among us easily outnumber the populations of Mildura or Shepparton - Victoria's fifth and sixth biggest cities.

"And they dwarf the 4700 asylum seekers who arrived by boat in 2010-11."

AP says there's nothing to worry about though Wink

(The same AP who lied about confirmation of the missing plane wreckage, but still hasn't got the balls to apologise).

So the Visa overstayers put the lives of authorities at risk on a daily basis? They sabotage and commit self-harm? They threaten to kill authorities? Yeah, HUGE problem! Roll Eyes

Even accepting that...

Why is it that you do not see overstayers (in effect illegal immigrants who, by the way, are unlikely to be paying taxes), as a worry?

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Reply #33 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:54am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

"The 58,400 foreign citizens hiding illegally among us easily outnumber the populations of Mildura or Shepparton - Victoria's fifth and sixth biggest cities.

"And they dwarf the 4700 asylum seekers who arrived by boat in 2010-11."

AP says there's nothing to worry about though Wink

(The same AP who lied about confirmation of the missing plane wreckage, but still hasn't got the balls to apologise).

So the Visa overstayers put the lives of authorities at risk on a daily basis? They sabotage and commit self-harm? They threaten to kill authorities? Yeah, HUGE problem! Roll Eyes

Even accepting that...

Why is it that you do not see overstayers (in effect illegal immigrants who, by the way, are unlikely to be paying taxes), as a worry?

That's easy.

1. They aren't on boats.

2. They aren't gay.

Gays and boats are the two biggest threats to civilisation since ... well ... since the beginning of time really.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #34 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:56am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:17am:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

The ones who come by plane and overstay their Visa period aren't generally a big worry for authorities.

Or Australians, it seems.

That's because they're obedient little vegemites.

They've only been told to be frightened of boat people.

Being concerned about anything other than what the government and the media tell them to be concerned with, would involve thinking for themselves.

I think its more complex than that...

I think people arriving by boat triggers a latent fear in the Australian psyche.

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Reply #35 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

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Reply #36 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

"100 days without illegals"

Incorrect.

They still come by plane.

There's a sucker born every minute.

but with a visa, a passport and identification making returning them not only possible but a frequent occurence.

now if boat people arrived with passports and identification.... but they don't. and why don't they???

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #37 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #38 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

And you are pretty sure because of the incredible large amount of data that leads you this conclusion? The fact that these people hide their identities not only raises deep suspicions about their motives but would be the ideal way for a known terrorist to come here.

You are both smug and naïve - a dangerous combination.

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Reply #39 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:59am

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

"100 days without illegals"

Incorrect.

They still come by plane.

There's a sucker born every minute.

but with a visa, a passport and identification making returning them not only possible but a frequent occurence.

now if boat people arrived with passports and identification.... but they don't. and why don't they???

You can of course name how many people to arrive in Australia via a boat have been charged with terrorism can't you?

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #40 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:01pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

"The 58,400 foreign citizens hiding illegally among us easily outnumber the populations of Mildura or Shepparton - Victoria's fifth and sixth biggest cities.

"And they dwarf the 4700 asylum seekers who arrived by boat in 2010-11."

AP says there's nothing to worry about though Wink

(The same AP who lied about confirmation of the missing plane wreckage, but still hasn't got the balls to apologise).

So the Visa overstayers put the lives of authorities at risk on a daily basis? They sabotage and commit self-harm? They threaten to kill authorities? Yeah, HUGE problem! Roll Eyes

You are being disingenuous and are cherrypicking. Illegal immigrants create different problems (see thread: Illegal Workers Rife In Rural Victoria).

It is silly to think that people arriving in the country are only a problem if they are on a boat on the high seas but arriving by plane or undetected boat arrivals are not a problem.

Wait until people smugglers realise that the most porous part of Australia's border is the Torres Strait, where inhabitants of the Torres Strait islands can move freely between Australia and PNG without any border checks and any documentation, agreed by treaty with PNG.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #41 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:06pm

Bam wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

"The 58,400 foreign citizens hiding illegally among us easily outnumber the populations of Mildura or Shepparton - Victoria's fifth and sixth biggest cities.

"And they dwarf the 4700 asylum seekers who arrived by boat in 2010-11."

AP says there's nothing to worry about though Wink

(The same AP who lied about confirmation of the missing plane wreckage, but still hasn't got the balls to apologise).

So the Visa overstayers put the lives of authorities at risk on a daily basis? They sabotage and commit self-harm? They threaten to kill authorities? Yeah, HUGE problem! Roll Eyes

You are being disingenuous and are cherrypicking. Illegal immigrants create different problems (see thread: Illegal Workers Rife In Rural Victoria).

It is silly to think that people arriving in the country are only a problem if they are on a boat on the high seas but arriving by plane or undetected boat arrivals are not a problem.

Wait until people smugglers realise that the most porous part of Australia's border is the Torres Strait, where inhabitants of the Torres Strait islands can move freely between Australia and PNG without any border checks and any documentation, agreed by treaty with PNG.

Undetected plane arrivals? Do you have evidence to support that this has ever happened, never mind being an actual recurring problem?

I don't think it is unfair to question the motives and character of people who arrive with deliberate lack of identification and through illegal means. In fact, I think to not do so would be both naïve and foolish and potentially dangerous.

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Reply #42 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:12pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

"100 days without illegals"

Incorrect.

They still come by plane.

There's a sucker born every minute.

but with a visa, a passport and identification making returning them not only possible but a frequent occurence.

now if boat people arrived with passports and identification.... but they don't. and why don't they???

Doesn't the issue of those 2 travellers on MH370 using stolen passports rattle your complacency about visas and passports?

We have nearly 60,000 overstayers (illegal immigrants) in Australia, who are not scrutinised to even a fraction of a degree that those arriving by boat are...

Does none of this worry you that much? (given your concern with 'boat people' regarding their identity).

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Reply #44 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:15pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Bam wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

"The 58,400 foreign citizens hiding illegally among us easily outnumber the populations of Mildura or Shepparton - Victoria's fifth and sixth biggest cities.

"And they dwarf the 4700 asylum seekers who arrived by boat in 2010-11."

AP says there's nothing to worry about though Wink

(The same AP who lied about confirmation of the missing plane wreckage, but still hasn't got the balls to apologise).

So the Visa overstayers put the lives of authorities at risk on a daily basis? They sabotage and commit self-harm? They threaten to kill authorities? Yeah, HUGE problem! Roll Eyes

You are being disingenuous and are cherrypicking. Illegal immigrants create different problems (see thread: Illegal Workers Rife In Rural Victoria).

It is silly to think that people arriving in the country are only a problem if they are on a boat on the high seas but arriving by plane or undetected boat arrivals are not a problem.

Wait until people smugglers realise that the most porous part of Australia's border is the Torres Strait, where inhabitants of the Torres Strait islands can move freely between Australia and PNG without any border checks and any documentation, agreed by treaty with PNG.

Undetected plane arrivals? Do you have evidence to support that this has ever happened, never mind being an actual recurring problem?

I don't think it is unfair to question the motives and character of people who arrive with deliberate lack of identification and through illegal means. In fact, I think to not do so would be both naïve and foolish and potentially dangerous.

Seeing you're a man of such deep thought, maybe you can share with us how many arrivals by boat have had terrorism charges laid against them?????

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