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Reply #45 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:19pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

And you are pretty sure because of the incredible large amount of data that leads you this conclusion? The fact that these people hide their identities not only raises deep suspicions about their motives but would be the ideal way for a known terrorist to come here.

You are both smug and naïve - a dangerous combination.

as opposed to foolish and naive

how many terrorist activities have ever been attributed to anyone arriving by boat? Now how many terrorist activites have been attributed peoples who arrived by plane?

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Reply #46 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:23pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

"100 days without illegals"

Incorrect.

They still come by plane.

There's a sucker born every minute.

but with a visa, a passport and identification making returning them not only possible but a frequent occurence.

now if boat people arrived with passports and identification.... but they don't. and why don't they???

Doesn't the issue of those 2 travellers on MH370 using stolen passports rattle your complacency about visas and passports?

We have nearly 60,000 overstayers (illegal immigrants) in Australia, who are not scrutinised to even a fraction of a degree that those arriving by boat are...

Does none of this worry you that much? (given your concern with 'boat people' regarding their identity).

never mind the fact that since 50 000 asylum seekers arrived under labor and all handed their smugglers their passports, the smugglers now have 50 000 passports in their possession

what do they think they did with them? at a few thousand dollars a pop, thats a lot of cash in their hands ... who do you think is going to buy them?

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Reply #47 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:25pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Undetected plane arrivals? Do you have evidence to support that this has ever happened, never mind being an actual recurring problem?

People overstay their visas and then cannot be found. Do try to keep up.

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I don't think it is unfair to question the motives and character of people who arrive with deliberate lack of identification and through illegal means. In fact, I think to not do so would be both naïve and foolish and potentially dangerous.

It is naive and foolish and potentially dangerous to ignore the fact that most people who are currently in the country illegally have arrived by plane.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #48 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:26pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

never mind the fact that since 50 000 asylum seekers arrived under labor and all handed their smugglers their passports, the smugglers now have 50 000 passports in their possession

what do they think they did with them? at a few thousand dollars a pop, thats a lot of cash in their hands ... who do you think is going to buy them?

You don't need to travel or be an asylum seeker to sell your identification documents...

So, never mind, 50,000... How about 50 million??

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Reply #49 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:26pm

100 days without illegals

'It's fine for the prime minister and (Immigration Minister Scott Morrison) to stand in front of big banners on this issue, but ... the critical piece of policy which changed the game here was the arrangement which Labor put in place," Mr Marles said.

The most important step Australia had taken in reducing the loss of life at sea was the regional resettlement arrangement with Papua New Guinea that Labor put in place last year, he said.

Ninety per cent of the flow of boats had stopped before the election occurred, Mr Marles said'

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22242405/pm-celebrating-an-alp-win-on-boats-marles/

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Reply #50 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:27pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

never mind the fact that since 50 000 asylum seekers arrived under labor and all handed their smugglers their passports, the smugglers now have 50 000 passports in their possession

what do they think they did with them? at a few thousand dollars a pop, thats a lot of cash in their hands ... who do you think is going to buy them?

You don't need to travel or be an asylum seeker to sell your identification documents...

So, never mind, 50,000... How about 50 million??

true .... hell, I'd sell mine if they offered enough ...

a lot of travellers out there run out of money would do it ... then they go to their embassy and claim it was lost ..

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Reply #51 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:29pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Undetected plane arrivals? Do you have evidence to support that this has ever happened, never mind being an actual recurring problem?

A jumbo jet vanishes and you don't believe its possible for light planes to arrive undetected??!!

My point was about proof that it is ever happened at all. your comment about MH370 seems pointless. Either there have been light plane arrivals or not but without any proof it has ever happened then you simply cant claim it is a genuine problem.

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Reply #53 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:32pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

never mind the fact that since 50 000 asylum seekers arrived under labor and all handed their smugglers their passports, the smugglers now have 50 000 passports in their possession

what do they think they did with them? at a few thousand dollars a pop, thats a lot of cash in their hands ... who do you think is going to buy them?

You don't need to travel or be an asylum seeker to sell your identification documents...

So, never mind, 50,000... How about 50 million??

true .... hell, I'd sell mine if they offered enough ...

a lot of travellers out there run out of money would do it ... then they go to their embassy and claim it was lost ..

But, at least then an authorised agency would have a record of the passport having been lost or stolen...

How about those who apply and receive travel documents, sell them and never report them lost or stolen??

How about a rogue nation supplying valid travel documents to their own spies and terrorists...

I can't understand the complacency that we seem to have towards bits of paper that purport to identify us.

Even friendly nations issue false identity papers to their spies.

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Reply #54 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:35pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

"100 days without illegals"

Incorrect.

They still come by plane.

There's a sucker born every minute.

but with a visa, a passport and identification making returning them not only possible but a frequent occurence.

now if boat people arrived with passports and identification.... but they don't. and why don't they???

Doesn't the issue of those 2 travellers on MH370 using stolen passports rattle your complacency about visas and passports?

We have nearly 60,000 overstayers (illegal immigrants) in Australia, who are not scrutinised to even a fraction of a degree that those arriving by boat are...

Does none of this worry you that much? (given your concern with 'boat people' regarding their identity).

I don't know how you can possibly equate the chance that someone might arrive on a false passport and the guaranteed certainly that 100% of boat arrivals are doing so.

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Reply #55 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:42pm

You guys do realise that while not all, a great many of asylum seekers are fleeing their own government, because they are persecuted there (see Sri Lankan Tamils, Burmese Rohingya etc.) The chance of trying to get official papers from their government before fleeing the country for these people is pretty much zero.

The Sri Lankan government actually strongly punishes the people who try to escape, and news flash, when a government wants to keep it's own hated and discriminated against minority from fleeing it's borders, it's not to give them a nice cup of their famous Ceylon tea.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #56 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:43pm

Well, I know the thread is not about semantics but here's the thing.

By calling refugees (or even potential refugees) "illegals" that is branding every single one of them because of the actions of a few....

Now, if we look at a parallel to that, gun enthusiasts seem all put out and have their little foot stamping episodes because they perceive gun laws as punishing them all because of a few....

Just an observation...

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Reply #57 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:43pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

"100 days without illegals"

Incorrect.

They still come by plane.

There's a sucker born every minute.

but with a visa, a passport and identification making returning them not only possible but a frequent occurence.

now if boat people arrived with passports and identification.... but they don't. and why don't they???

Doesn't the issue of those 2 travellers on MH370 using stolen passports rattle your complacency about visas and passports?

We have nearly 60,000 overstayers (illegal immigrants) in Australia, who are not scrutinised to even a fraction of a degree that those arriving by boat are...

Does none of this worry you that much? (given your concern with 'boat people' regarding their identity).

I don't know how you can possibly equate the chance that someone might arrive on a false passport and the guaranteed certainly that 100% of boat arrivals are doing so.

Well, the obvious issue would be that all asylum seekers arriving by boat present themselves to Australia authorities...

How many arriving with fake passports and ID subsequently present themselves to authorities? If you were trying to disappear into Australian society and managed to pass border control, it would be a little counter productive to than hand yourself in... Falsifying your identity is a crime and the likelihood of your being treated sympathetically by Australian authorities would, in that instance, be remote. More likely a jail sentence then deportation.

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Reply #58 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:45pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

And you are pretty sure because of the incredible large amount of data that leads you this conclusion? The fact that these people hide their identities not only raises deep suspicions about their motives but would be the ideal way for a known terrorist to come here.

You are both smug and naïve - a dangerous combination.

as opposed to foolish and naive

how many terrorist activities have ever been attributed to anyone arriving by boat? Now how many terrorist activites have been attributed peoples who arrived by plane?

I admit to being a bit surprised at your response and that of skippy. it would appear that your naivete runs quite deep. Do you think you wait until a terrorist attack before taking any preventative measures? Do you simply assume that every person who comes by illegal means after disposing of the identity is Mother Teresa's long lost brother? I am not saying these people are evil, but to presume they are all honest and just and genuine is ludicrously naïve.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #59 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:47pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

It's obvious that attempting to enter the country via the airport involves far greater checks than jumping on a people smuggling boat lost in a crowd of similar appearance particularly from the Middle Eastern countries.

Except that there's the likelihood of months or years in detention when arriving by boat...

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