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Reply #60 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:54pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

I am not saying these people are evil, but to presume they are all honest and just and genuine is ludicrously naïve.

Well that would be why Australia processes asylum seekers' claims wouldn't it?

However, that presumption is made with every single person who enters Australia with identity papers...

Evidently nearly 60,000 of them are not honest and just and genuine... But it just doesn't seem to raise an eyebrow...

How many more may be living here under false identity? Who knows? Guess we'll have to wait until, like with the case of Ronnie Biggs, someone works it out.

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Reply #61 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

The Coalition went to the last election with clear policies to stop the boats

Policies ?

They came to the election with SLOGANS !

Those

"policies"

had ALREADY been put in place - to the utter

DISGUST

of this ( ... and many a )
SOCIALIST HUMANITARIAN - months earlier, in a populist vote grab, by the

Rudd Government

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Reply #62 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:35pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:12pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

"100 days without illegals"

Incorrect.

They still come by plane.

There's a sucker born every minute.

but with a visa, a passport and identification making returning them not only possible but a frequent occurence.

now if boat people arrived with passports and identification.... but they don't. and why don't they???

Doesn't the issue of those 2 travellers on MH370 using stolen passports rattle your complacency about visas and passports?

We have nearly 60,000 overstayers (illegal immigrants) in Australia, who are not scrutinised to even a fraction of a degree that those arriving by boat are...

Does none of this worry you that much? (given your concern with 'boat people' regarding their identity).

I don't know how you can possibly equate the chance that someone might arrive on a false passport and the guaranteed certainly that 100% of boat arrivals are doing so.

Well, the obvious issue would be that all asylum seekers arriving by boat present themselves to Australia authorities...

How many arriving with fake passports and ID subsequently present themselves to authorities? If you were trying to disappear into Australian society and managed to pass border control, it would be a little counter productive to than hand yourself in... Falsifying your identity is a crime and the likelihood of your being treated sympathetically by Australian authorities would, in that instance, be remote. More likely a jail sentence then deportation.

I am trying/struggling to get your logic since there appears to be so little. Boat people 'present themselves'? Many did no such thing and the rest do so only to get a safer ride in. It is hardly the up-front ethical route, but rather just the easy thing.

What I am trying to do is to get a handle on why you and others on this thread simply want to shout 'everyone come to Australia! no ID needed, No job or skills needed'.

How many are you willing to take because there is no end to the number.

So... how many do you think we should allow to come here by boat?

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Reply #63 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm

It would appear that to some the very idea of border protection is considered solely exclusionary, and nothing to do with protecting the country and it's populace. Most logical people would applaud measures which provide a level of peace of mind and security, unfortunately categorising all boat arrivals as asylum seekers is grossly naive and manically dangerous.

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Reply #64 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:47pm:

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

It's obvious that attempting to enter the country via the airport involves far greater checks than jumping on a people smuggling boat lost in a crowd of similar appearance particularly from the Middle Eastern countries.

Except that there's the likelihood of months or years in detention when arriving by boat...

But not by the light planes you claim do the same and yet provide no evidence or any media reports EVER to confirm.

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Reply #65 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:03pm

John S wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:25am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

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Today marks 100 days since the last successful people smuggling venture to Australia.

The security of our nation is the most important responsibility of government. This government takes its responsibilities seriously.

The Coalition went to the last election with clear policies to stop the boats. We are keeping our promise to stop the boats by doing what we said we would do. These strong policies are saving lives.

Under Labor, more than 800 boats arrived carrying over 50,000 people, including more than 8,000 children. This catastrophic policy failure resulted in over 1,000 lives lost at sea and $11 billion in Budget blowouts.

The Government has made the difficult but necessary decisions to stop the boats.

Operation Sovereign Borders is working as intended. The people smugglers understand that the way to Australia is closed.

The progress we are making in strengthening our borders is restoring confidence in our migration programme. We are an immigrant country and a successful immigration programme requires that it operates with integrity.

While this milestone recognises the progress that we have made, the Government remains resolute in our determination to stop the boats.

From the Libs .

How many boats have left Indonesia in the last 100 days? If you can say none that is when the libturds can claim that they have stop the boats.

The libturds claim that under labor there was a $11 billion budget blow out. So how much is the libturds policy costing the budget?

like I have already mention in another thread if asylum seeker have boarded a Australia warship they have reach Australia and then they can claim asylum, they don't have to land on Australia soil to claim asylum. So the question is. Is the government turning away people that are claiming asylum without processing them?

That's a load of garbage when did the government ever say they'd stop them leaving Indonesian ports.
liar liar pants on fire...
100 days and counting labturd, that is the correct term i should use for you wise one isn't it?

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Reply #66 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:03pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

It would appear that to some the very idea of border protection is considered solely exclusionary, and nothing to do with protecting the country and it's populace. Most logical people would applaud measures which provide a level of peace of mind and security, unfortunately categorising all boat arrivals as asylum seekers is grossly naive and manically dangerous.

Legal boat arrivals

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Reply #67 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:04pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

And you are pretty sure because of the incredible large amount of data that leads you this conclusion? The fact that these people hide their identities not only raises deep suspicions about their motives but would be the ideal way for a known terrorist to come here.

You are both smug and naïve - a dangerous combination.

as opposed to foolish and naive

how many terrorist activities have ever been attributed to anyone arriving by boat? Now how many terrorist activites have been attributed peoples who arrived by plane?

I admit to being a bit surprised at your response and that of skippy. it would appear that your naivete runs quite deep. Do you think you wait until a terrorist attack before taking any preventative measures? Do you simply assume that every person who comes by illegal means after disposing of the identity is Mother Teresa's long lost brother? I am not saying these people are evil, but to presume they are all honest and just and genuine is ludicrously naïve.

so you couldn't find any terrorists having entered by boat either? goodo

as for your other crap, thats all it is crap that panders to brain dead red necks ... if you want to worry about poreventative measures to stop terrorists, then stop letting terrorists in by plane.

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Reply #68 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:05pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

It would appear that to some the very idea of border protection is considered solely exclusionary, and nothing to do with protecting the country and it's populace. Most logical people would applaud measures which provide a level of peace of mind and security, unfortunately categorising all boat arrivals as asylum seekers is grossly naive and manically dangerous.

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Reply #69 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:07pm

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

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The boats ARE arriving - they are arriving at a point designated by the Australian bully boy government, so - rather than being 'stopped' they are being shunted sideways in the fervent hope that we will not notice that the flow is the same.

The only thing more desperate than an asylum seeker is a morally destitute government seeking to turn him/her away.

Hear! Hear!

Wrong, the only thing more desperate is hearing from those who support these queue jumpers despite them voicing their desire on camera to kill our Navy personnel, F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

No-where near as desperate as you grubs attempting to support this filthy policy.

There's nothing filthy about it.
How many illegals have died in boat disasters in the last 100 days?

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Reply #70 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:08pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

What I am trying to do is to get a handle on why you and others on this thread simply want to shout 'everyone come to Australia! no ID needed, No job or skills needed'.

How many are you willing to take because there is no end to the number.

So... how many do you think we should allow to come here by boat?

I'm not shouting that at all...

In fact if those 60000 overstayers left next week, maybe job opportunities would be available to citizens and legal permanent residents.

I'm questioning the hysteria that boat arrivals generate in Australia, while entry by plane, overstaying and the issue of fake passports do not generate the same hysteria.

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Reply #71 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:08pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

I am trying/struggling to get your logic

something I'd have thought you'd be used to

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

Boat people 'present themselves'?

of course they do ... thats when they claim asylum

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

Many did no such thing and the rest do so only to get a safer ride in

ride in? ... Grin

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they present themselves once they've arrived Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

What I am trying to do is to get a handle on why you and others on this thread simply want to shout 'everyone come to Australia! no ID needed, No job or skills needed'

show me a link to one person who has said that?

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

how many do you think we should allow to come here by boat?

at the moment the limit is set to just over 13 000 a year, but I think that should go up to at the very least 20 000.

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Reply #72 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:09pm

Bam wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:47am:

____ wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:11am:

illegal migrants is just con spin for refugees. So my question remains unanswered. Will it be a broken promise when the next boat arrives?

The Coalition is simply calling them what they are. However, calling them irregular maritime arrivals (as Labor did) is absurd in the extreme. Makes it sound as if they use some legitimate, but unreliable, ferry service!!! Grin

Grin

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The Coalition are making up crap that obscures the debate. What about illegal foreign workers on farms? Why aren't the Coalition doing anything about them? If the Coalition were consistent, they would be sending in the Department of Immigration on frequent raids on anyone caught once with illegal foreign workers to make sure they never do it again.

I have friends that work for the Dept of Immigration they go on raids on a daily basis... They put people in Villawood daily... perhaps they need more staff.

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Reply #73 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:12pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Pirates Of The Current Eon

The Hidden Treasure Of Manic Island

The boats ARE arriving - they are arriving at a point designated by the Australian bully boy government, so - rather than being 'stopped' they are being shunted sideways in the fervent hope that we will not notice that the flow is the same.

The only thing more desperate than an asylum seeker is a morally destitute government seeking to turn him/her away.

Hear! Hear!

Wrong, the only thing more desperate is hearing from those who support these queue jumpers despite them voicing their desire on camera to kill our Navy personnel, F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

No-where near as desperate as you grubs attempting to support this filthy policy.

There's nothing filthy about it.
How many illegals have died in boat disasters in the last 100 days?

Yes the putrid bile spewed forth by some makes one wonder just how they were brought up. Kat goes from thread to thread posting rubbish directed at anybody he disagrees with.

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Reply #74 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:12pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:47pm:

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

It's obvious that attempting to enter the country via the airport involves far greater checks than jumping on a people smuggling boat lost in a crowd of similar appearance particularly from the Middle Eastern countries.

Except that there's the likelihood of months or years in detention when arriving by boat...

But not by the light planes you claim do the same and yet provide no evidence or any media reports EVER to confirm.

I made no such claim.

I suggested the possibility that a light plane could enter Australian airspace undetected... Using MH370 as an example that sometimes the unimaginable happens... How often it happens (light planes entering Australian airspace undetected), I wouldn't know because they'd have been undetected.

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