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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #75 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:15pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

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The Hidden Treasure Of Manic Island

The boats ARE arriving - they are arriving at a point designated by the Australian bully boy government, so - rather than being 'stopped' they are being shunted sideways in the fervent hope that we will not notice that the flow is the same.

The only thing more desperate than an asylum seeker is a morally destitute government seeking to turn him/her away.

Hear! Hear!

Wrong, the only thing more desperate is hearing from those who support these queue jumpers despite them voicing their desire on camera to kill our Navy personnel, F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

No-where near as desperate as you grubs attempting to support this filthy policy.

There's nothing filthy about it.
How many illegals have died in boat disasters in the last 100 days?

Zero, ever.

The boats don't carry illegals.

You need to keep up.

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Rhet-Oracle Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 408	Re: 100 days without illegals Reply #76 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:16pm MH370 is not a "light plane". Flying to Australia by "light plane" would involve refuelling. It really depends on what you mean by "light".
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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #77 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:18pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

And you are pretty sure because of the incredible large amount of data that leads you this conclusion?

This makes me pretty sure:

Don't get out much, do you?

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #78 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:18pm

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

Convicted racist? Puhlease...
A criminal finding was it?
A breach of the discrimination act wasn't it?

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #79 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Pirates Of The Current Eon

The Hidden Treasure Of Manic Island

The boats ARE arriving - they are arriving at a point designated by the Australian bully boy government, so - rather than being 'stopped' they are being shunted sideways in the fervent hope that we will not notice that the flow is the same.

The only thing more desperate than an asylum seeker is a morally destitute government seeking to turn him/her away.

Hear! Hear!

Wrong, the only thing more desperate is hearing from those who support these queue jumpers despite them voicing their desire on camera to kill our Navy personnel, F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

No-where near as desperate as you grubs attempting to support this filthy policy.

There's nothing filthy about it.
How many illegals have died in boat disasters in the last 100 days?

Zero, ever.

The boats don't carry illegals.

You need to keep up.

Hope you realise that because of your innate stupidity here, I now ignore most of what you post...
the above is a prime example why.
have a nice day Cheesy

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #80 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:22pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

And you are pretty sure because of the incredible large amount of data that leads you this conclusion? The fact that these people hide their identities not only raises deep suspicions about their motives but would be the ideal way for a known terrorist to come here.

You are both smug and naïve - a dangerous combination.

as opposed to foolish and naive

how many terrorist activities have ever been attributed to anyone arriving by boat? Now how many terrorist activites have been attributed peoples who arrived by plane?

I admit to being a bit surprised at your response and that of skippy. it would appear that your naivete runs quite deep. Do you think you wait until a terrorist attack before taking any preventative measures? Do you simply assume that every person who comes by illegal means after disposing of the identity is Mother Teresa's long lost brother? I am not saying these people are evil, but to presume they are all honest and just and genuine is ludicrously naïve.

Nobody in this forum is presuming they are all innocent.

You need to read posts more carefully.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #81 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:23pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

MH370 is not a "light plane".

True. That would be the point of the comparison... If a jumbo jet can 'vanish', why not a light plane landing undetected in Australia?

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

Flying to Australia by "light plane" would involve refuelling. It really depends on what you mean by "light".

And from where you're flying from, I guess.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #82 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:24pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

And you are pretty sure because of the incredible large amount of data that leads you this conclusion? The fact that these people hide their identities not only raises deep suspicions about their motives but would be the ideal way for a known terrorist to come here.

You are both smug and naïve - a dangerous combination.

as opposed to foolish and naive

how many terrorist activities have ever been attributed to anyone arriving by boat? Now how many terrorist activites have been attributed peoples who arrived by plane?

I admit to being a bit surprised at your response and that of skippy. it would appear that your naivete runs quite deep. Do you think you wait until a terrorist attack before taking any preventative measures? Do you simply assume that every person who comes by illegal means after disposing of the identity is Mother Teresa's long lost brother? I am not saying these people are evil, but to presume they are all honest and just and genuine is ludicrously naïve.

Nobody in this forum is presuming they are all innocent.

You need to read posts more carefully.

Ya mean you are offering a white flag?

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #83 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:24pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

What I am trying to do is to get a handle on why you and others on this thread simply want to shout 'everyone come to Australia! no ID needed, No job or skills needed'.

How many are you willing to take because there is no end to the number.

So... how many do you think we should allow to come here by boat?

I'm not shouting that at all...

In fact if those 60000 overstayers left next week, maybe job opportunities would be available to citizens and legal permanent residents.

I'm questioning the hysteria that boat arrivals generate in Australia, while entry by plane, overstaying and the issue of fake passports do not generate the same hysteria.

I would be interested in your source of this 60,000 figure. Having travelled a lot and knowing a large number of frequent travellers I also know a number who have overstayed visa - usually by accident. They would be included in numbers like yours. But the difference is, they left.

So my question is not how many visa over-stayers there are now, but how many have over-stayed and stayed permanently. That is the actual figure to compare to boat arrivals. I have done a lot of analytical work in my life and when comparing two sets of data you first need to convert them to comparable units or value. I would like you to do the same.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #84 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:24pm

Grendel wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:15pm:

Grendel wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:03am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Pirates Of The Current Eon

The Hidden Treasure Of Manic Island

The boats ARE arriving - they are arriving at a point designated by the Australian bully boy government, so - rather than being 'stopped' they are being shunted sideways in the fervent hope that we will not notice that the flow is the same.

The only thing more desperate than an asylum seeker is a morally destitute government seeking to turn him/her away.

Hear! Hear!

Wrong, the only thing more desperate is hearing from those who support these queue jumpers despite them voicing their desire on camera to kill our Navy personnel, F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

No-where near as desperate as you grubs attempting to support this filthy policy.

There's nothing filthy about it.
How many illegals have died in boat disasters in the last 100 days?

Zero, ever.

The boats don't carry illegals.

You need to keep up.

Hope you realise that because of your innate stupidity here, I now ignore most of what you post...
the above is a prime example why.
have a nice day Cheesy

All you have to do in order to redeem yourself, is provide some evidence that an "illegal" has died in a boat disaster on the way to Australia.

Over to you ... (oh, this should be good) ...

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #85 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:25pm

Bam wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

Bam wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Kat wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 29^th, 2014 at 11:38pm:

Pirates Of The Current Eon

The Hidden Treasure Of Manic Island

The boats ARE arriving - they are arriving at a point designated by the Australian bully boy government, so - rather than being 'stopped' they are being shunted sideways in the fervent hope that we will not notice that the flow is the same.

The only thing more desperate than an asylum seeker is a morally destitute government seeking to turn him/her away.

Hear! Hear!

Wrong, the only thing more desperate is hearing from those who support these queue jumpers despite them voicing their desire on camera to kill our Navy personnel, F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

They come here because they know they can get illegal work on our farms and in many other businesses, no questions asked.

So then they are NOT legitimate asylum seekers???

Some are, some are not. It's why we need to process them - to weed out the greedy from among the persecuted.

We do then the pc brigade and their lawyers overturn the initial assessment which are in most cases valid.

We shouldn't penalise them though; they are the victims, not the criminals.

Really, and the country shoppers, and people smugglers and their families and economic refugees etc, etc...

The real criminals are the people smugglers and Australian businesses that employ people who do not have the legal right to work in Australia.

Not the war criminals and the rest I previously mentioned?

Smashing the people smugglers' business model does nothing if we do not also pursue the crooked Australian businesses with equal vigour and harsh penalties.

Do you honestly think considering most illegals end up on long term welfare that business is actually a large contributor to the problem?

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #86 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:26pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

And you are pretty sure because of the incredible large amount of data that leads you this conclusion? The fact that these people hide their identities not only raises deep suspicions about their motives but would be the ideal way for a known terrorist to come here.

You are both smug and naïve - a dangerous combination.

as opposed to foolish and naive

how many terrorist activities have ever been attributed to anyone arriving by boat? Now how many terrorist activites have been attributed peoples who arrived by plane?

I admit to being a bit surprised at your response and that of skippy. it would appear that your naivete runs quite deep. Do you think you wait until a terrorist attack before taking any preventative measures? Do you simply assume that every person who comes by illegal means after disposing of the identity is Mother Teresa's long lost brother? I am not saying these people are evil, but to presume they are all honest and just and genuine is ludicrously naïve.

Nobody in this forum is presuming they are all innocent.

You need to read posts more carefully.

Ya mean you are offering a white flag?

I'll type it slowly this time, so you can keep up.

Nobody in this forum is presuming they are all innocent.

Tell me what part you don't understand, and I'll be happy to walk you through it, one word at a time.

Cheers.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #87 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:27pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:12pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:47pm:

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:29pm:

It's obvious that attempting to enter the country via the airport involves far greater checks than jumping on a people smuggling boat lost in a crowd of similar appearance particularly from the Middle Eastern countries.

Except that there's the likelihood of months or years in detention when arriving by boat...

But not by the light planes you claim do the same and yet provide no evidence or any media reports EVER to confirm.

I made no such claim.

I suggested the possibility that a light plane could enter Australian airspace undetected... Using MH370 as an example that sometimes the unimaginable happens... How often it happens (light planes entering Australian airspace undetected), I wouldn't know because they'd have been undetected.

Throwing in your light plane argument was simply a transparent attempt to move the focus when your argument is doing badly. Seen it all before and such deflections are usually failures - as was yours. The debate is complex enough without such nonsense.

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Re: 100 days without illegals
Reply #89 - Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:26pm:

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 1:22pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Stratos wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 7:05am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 30^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

F-Australia and talk crap about 9/11! You still want those kinds of people here?

Even convicted racist Andrew Bolt said that the people saying these things were in a tiny amount of the people who come to Australia.

how many terrorists do u think is an acceptable number?

I'm pretty sure terrorists know how to buy plane tickets.

And you are pretty sure because of the incredible large amount of data that leads you this conclusion? The fact that these people hide their identities not only raises deep suspicions about their motives but would be the ideal way for a known terrorist to come here.

You are both smug and naïve - a dangerous combination.

as opposed to foolish and naive

how many terrorist activities have ever been attributed to anyone arriving by boat? Now how many terrorist activites have been attributed peoples who arrived by plane?

I admit to being a bit surprised at your response and that of skippy. it would appear that your naivete runs quite deep. Do you think you wait until a terrorist attack before taking any preventative measures? Do you simply assume that every person who comes by illegal means after disposing of the identity is Mother Teresa's long lost brother? I am not saying these people are evil, but to presume they are all honest and just and genuine is ludicrously naïve.

Nobody in this forum is presuming they are all innocent.

You need to read posts more carefully.

Ya mean you are offering a white flag?

I'll type it slowly this time, so you can keep up.

Nobody in this forum is presuming they are all innocent.

Tell me what part you don't understand, and I'll be happy to walk you through it, one word at a time.
Cheers.

au contraire, but you are assuming innocence otherwise why would you be shouting their right to come and live here unhindered by identification or justification? The only other explanation that fits is that you are so naïve and frankly, stupid, that you don't see the danger in allowing anyone in without our explicit permission.

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