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Reply #15 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:27pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 2:00pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
When will you reign in these militant unions, Electricity Bill? When?



ahhmmm, not sure if you noticed .. and i do understand the confusion, but Abbott is PM not Shorten

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Abbott has never been boss of a union, Electricity Bill has. Duh!  Roll Eyes
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Reply #16 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:28pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:27pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 2:00pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
When will you reign in these militant unions, Electricity Bill? When?



ahhmmm, not sure if you noticed .. and i do understand the confusion, but Abbott is PM not Shorten

Grin Grin Grin


Abbott has never been boss of a union, Electricity Bill has. Duh!  Roll Eyes


and you used to run a subway  ... does that mean that you now have the ability to affect Subways policies?
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Reply #17 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:29pm
 
Frances wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:08pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
When will you reign in these militant unions, Electricity Bill? When?


Once Abbott reins in the militant corporations maybe?


Corporations are subject to normal business laws/governance. Unions operate with no such oversight, except (laughably) their own). Hence the incidences of corruption such as Thomson and Williamson...
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Re: CFMEU fined $1.25m for defying Court
Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:31pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Frances wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:08pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
When will you reign in these militant unions, Electricity Bill? When?


Once Abbott reins in the militant corporations maybe?


Corporations are subject to normal business laws/governance. Unions operate with no such oversight, except (laughably) their own). Hence the incidences of corruption such as Thomson and Williamson...



Unions aren't subject to business laws and have no oversight? Pray tell !!

So under what laws were thommo and Williamson charged? Chinas?
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Re: CFMEU fined $1.25m for defying Court
Reply #19 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:35pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
When will you reign in these militant unions, Electricity Bill? When?




Just to bring you up to SPEED - Bill Shorten has not held any office in the trade union movement in almost SEVEN YEARS

- and as Opposition Leader - he is in no position to draw up and pass any legislation






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Re: CFMEU fined $1.25m for defying Court
Reply #20 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:40pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Unions operate with no such oversight, except (laughably) their own).


What about the The Fair Work (Registered Organisations) Act 2009?
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Reply #21 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:43pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:03pm:
cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
so why did the unions allow them to work on a dangerous site...



So now you support union boycotts & lock outs???

WHERE DID I SAY THAT?



cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
a gust of wind........is that written in any contract do you know???...



What does that mean????
Are you now saying once wind reaches a certain speed work should be stopped?


YOU ARE THE ONE THAT WANTS A 'ROYAL INTO THE WALL THAT WIND BLEW DOWN NOT ME?


cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
most construction work is undertaken at local govt level...


Most workplace safety regulations are State government level, hasn't stopped the PBRC, in fact you've been the biggest cheerleader, why all of a sudden the respect for chain of command???

I WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW YOU LOGIC ON YOUR POST..



cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
what about the child killed by the falling tree at school...will we have a Rayal into that as well??..


Why not?
You seem to need to blame someone for everything, who's knows maybe the tree was a gift from the Labor party.

ME BLAMING EVERYONE..... THATS A BIT RICH....

GO READ YOUR POST WHERE YOU LIST JUST ABOUT EVERYONE THAT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED REGARDING THE ...WALL.




cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
to my knowledge the families of those killed by the wall...know that gale force wind caused the wall to fall....in hindsight should it have been there??????....who can really answer that....its like the tree... a tragic accident and to make political points out of something no one could really foresee is pretty crap.



With not even the slightest blush Shocked

cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
if a family member wanted more answers I am sure an investigation would or could take place........if it already hasnt.



6 inquiries into PB aren't enough, you must keep inquiring until you get the answers you want.

cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
as it did with the pinkbatts.. but really didnt come up with the real answers......who really was responsible..and could!



Yes they did just not the answers Tony can accept.

cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
at least 3 deaths have been prevented????....



How? & how does one arrive at that number?

cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
if there were 4 walls all the same and one was blown down killing 3 people... and the other walls remained until they were blown down killing more people....I would definitely agree a Royal is needed..


So its ok to kill 3 people in 1 go as long as you stop there?
What if the wall killed 25, fell on a school bus stop at 8.30am, would it be OK because it only happened once?




I CANT BE B OTHERED WITH THE REST.. ITS EXHAUSTING... I THOUGHT YOU WERE BETTER...


THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRAGIC ACCIDENT AND POLITICAL POINT SCORING WHICH YOU ARE DOING...

TRAGIC MEANS BEING IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME.......

MEANS GETTING ON THE WRONG PLANE...MH370.BOARDING THE WRONG SHIP...[TITANIC]..


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Reply #22 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 6:58pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:43pm:
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRAGIC ACCIDENT AND POLITICAL POINT SCORING WHICH YOU ARE DOING...

TRAGIC MEANS BEING IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME.......

MEANS GETTING ON THE WRONG PLANE...MH370.BOARDING THE WRONG SHIP...[TITANIC]..



Or getting the wrong employer who doesn't provide proper training, wrong equipment or is just so pig headed they send you into a roof over 40+ degree's for extended periods?

Sorry I was just taking your lead and playing politics with tragic events, isn't that what we do now?

Or only when its a labor government :-, but reverts back to those actually responsible when our rightful rulers are in charge?
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Re: CFMEU fined $1.25m for defying Court
Reply #23 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 7:06pm
 
It's travesty of justice.

Workers struck for health & safety.
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Reply #24 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 7:13pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 6:58pm:
Sorry I was just taking your lead and playing politics with tragic events, isn't that what we do now?


Keep up Sir Dame Smithy ... that's only when labor are in govt.
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Reply #25 - Mar 31st, 2014 at 7:17pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 3:01pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 2:10pm:
C'mon Teaspoon, surely you agree these innocents death should be subject to the same IF NOT MORE scrutiny as the insulation ones.
More because these poor souls weren't being paid they were just walking down a street.

Wind has been blamed, 102klm p/hour hardly cyclone strength in fact just a strong gust would be an apt description.

Who approved the materials?
Who approved the contractor?
Who signed off once completed?
Who chose the tender & on what basis?
Who gave the OK for illegal signage?

Never mind all that though your here to crow that the union who represents the workers within this dangerous & obviously sub standard work sight had the gale to point out these faults & now has been fined.




so why did the unions allow them to work on a dangerous site...

a gust of wind........is that written in any contract do you know???...

most construction work is undertaken at local govt level...

what about the child killed by the falling tree at school...will we have a Rayal into that as well??..

like who planted the tree .... right there of all places...... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

if you want a royal into every accident...the country will come to a stand still...

to my knowledge the families of those killed by the wall...know that gale force wind caused the wall to fall....in hindsight should it have been there??????....who can really answer that....its like the tree... a tragic accident and to make political points out of something no one could really foresee is pretty crap.

if a family member wanted more answers I am sure an investigation would or could take place........if it already hasnt.

as it did with the pinkbatts.. but really didnt come up with the real answers......who really was responsible..and could!

at least 3 deaths have been prevented????....

if there were 4 walls all the same and one was blown down killing 3 people... and the other walls remained until they were blown down killing more people....I would definitely agree a Royal is needed..


Cods, it was the employer who required workers to work in dangerous conditions.

When their union moved to stop the practice it ended up in court.

As part of the establishment, the courts and employers frequently walk hand in hand.

Forcing the CMEU to pay a big fine will do nothing to make the building industry any safer.

I hope the union refuses to pay.
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Reply #26 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:41am
 
Frances wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:40pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Unions operate with no such oversight, except (laughably) their own).


What about the The Fair Work (Registered Organisations) Act 2009?


I am talking about financial oversight - auditing. How else was Thomo able to summarily approve his expenditure without oversight?
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Reply #27 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 9:14am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:41am:
Frances wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:40pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Unions operate with no such oversight, except (laughably) their own).


What about the The Fair Work (Registered Organisations) Act 2009?


I am talking about financial oversight - auditing. How else was Thomo able to summarily approve his expenditure without oversight?


many businesses have no financial oversight .... look at your last subway store ... how often did you put the cash in your pocket and not receipt it ... were you audited? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #28 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 10:19am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 12:46pm:
When will you have a royal commission these shonky companies Tony

Quote:
SIX months after a tragic wall collapse killed three people, there are still no answers on the tragedy.

Four separate organisations have failed to return public reports on the March 28 incident.

WorkSafe, Grocon, Victoria Police and the Coroner’s office declined to release any details of their investigations this week.

But Grocon revealed that it was planning to build a memorial for the victims - Bridget and Alexander Jones and Dr Marie-Faith Fiawoo - on the vacant Swanston St site, which is to become an apartment and retail complex.

WorkSafe spokesman Peter Flaherty was unable to give a deadline for the agency’s report.

“This comprehensive investigation is ongoing, but given the complexity of the task, it remains in its relatively early stages and will take some time to complete,” he said.

The 19-year-old Jones twins and Dr Fiawoo, 33, were walking along Swanston St when a brick wall, which had a wooden hoarding bolted to its facade, collapsed in 102km/h wind.

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/sites/default/files/imagecache/ra...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4602040-1x1-340x340.jpg

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/tokpisin/sites/default/files/imagecache/ra_arti...

Ms Jones, who had been sheltered by her brother, was rescued but later died in hospital.

Mr Jones and Dr Fiawoo, a French national who had been working at Monash University, died at the scene.

Investigations were expected to focus on the condition of the red brick wall and why a wooden hoarding was bolted to its facade.

The Herald Sun revealed in April that there were significant cracks in the base of the brick wall at least four months before it fell.

The City of Melbourne also confirmed that Grocon did not have a permit to attach a wooden hoarding to the wall.

The hoarding, which was higher than the brick wall, may have increased the load on the wall beyond its design and acted as a sail during its collapse.

Grocon spokesman Mike Zorbas said it was too early to comment on its investigations.

“We have been working with the relevant authorities in relation to their formal inquiries into the matter. This has included the Coroner, the police and WorkSafe,” he said.

“We have begun to make arrangements for an appropriate memorial on the site.”

Victoria Police confirmed its investigations were continuing.

Criminal charges could be laid over the incident, which could delay the probes further.

Sheree Argento, a spokeswoman for the Coroner’s Court of Victoria, said Judge Ian Gray would seek an update from the investigating police member before fixing the next hearing date.

“As indicated in the mention hearing held earlier this year, His Honour is concerned about controlling any unnecessary delays in relation to this investigation and will seek to proceed with this matter as soon as practicable,” she said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/still-no-answers-on-swanston-st-wall-c...


3 innocent people walking along a street DEAD
Surely this requires a Royal Commission Tony??

But no we'll fine the Union for bringing to light safety concerns & then get rid of those concerns by simply calling the regulations RED TAPE & scrapping them.

Think how much profits will increase if we don't have safe work places or nosey people talking about death & injury at work.

Given up your penalties yet Teaspoon?


That seems rather unreasonable of you as well as a rather transparent deflection.  100km/hr+ winds contributed to what was nothing more than an accident. There will always be accidents and while we try to prevent them, much of that prevention occurs after an accident which was not predicted or predictable.

In the meantime, the union from the OP engaged in illegal and obstructive behaviour and have been fined properly as a result.  Care to comment?
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Reply #29 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 10:21am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:31pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Frances wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 4:08pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 12:34pm:
When will you reign in these militant unions, Electricity Bill? When?


Once Abbott reins in the militant corporations maybe?


Corporations are subject to normal business laws/governance. Unions operate with no such oversight, except (laughably) their own). Hence the incidences of corruption such as Thomson and Williamson...



Unions aren't subject to business laws and have no oversight? Pray tell !!

So under what laws were thommo and Williamson charged? Chinas?


You many be unaware but one of the industrial laws that Abbott proposes and the union and labor opposes is to make Unions come under the same governance and financial responsibility laws as ever other company.  They are treated differently.
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