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Now Abbott goes after the Pensioners
Apr 1^st, 2014 at 6:27am

Oh great, following the great asset sell off news.

We now have news from the bunker that the Abbott Government is about to go after Pensioners hard.

Forget about the fact that huge multi national companies like Google and Apple are paying bugger all tax on this Country and shifting their profits off shore.

No, don't touch them Tony not when you can go after the people, least able to defend themselves, after the Pensioners who are lucky to have enough left to pay the light bill.

You are effectively committing Political suicide after getting off to a good start.

You have lost me. I don't like liars and you are one.

There was none of this sh.t in your policies during the election, you have defrauded all of us.

Yours will be a one term Government.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Now Abbott goes after the Pensioners Reply #1 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 6:56am Its not a good idea for a government to go after large voting blocks - ever. Gillard did it with the single mothers and now abbott with the pensioners - and there are a LOT of them. SOB
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Re: Now Abbott goes after the Pensioners
Reply #2 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 7:43am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 6:56am:

Its not a good idea for a government to go after large voting blocks - ever. Gillard did it with the single mothers and now abbott with the pensioners - and there are a LOT of them.

SOB

And a considerable percentage of them probably voted for him, too.

Bet there'll be a lot who won't be, in 2016.

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Quantum Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3373	Re: Now Abbott goes after the Pensioners Reply #3 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 7:57am The only talk is about raising retirement age. I cannot find anything about pensioners being hit. If you are currently on a pension then it is life as usual.
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Re: Now Abbott goes after the Pensioners
Reply #4 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 8:00am

red baron wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 6:27am:

Oh great, following the great asset sell off news.

We now have news from the bunker that the Abbott Government is about to go after Pensioners hard.

Forget about the fact that huge multi national companies like Google and Apple are paying bugger all tax on this Country and shifting their profits off shore.

No, don't touch them Tony not when you can go after the people, least able to defend themselves, after the Pensioners who are lucky to have enough left to pay the light bill.

You are effectively committing Political suicide after getting off to a good start.

You have lost me. I don't like liars and you are one.

There was none of this sh.t in your policies during the election, you have defrauded all of us.

Yours will be a one term Government.

Have you any sort of link to this RUBBISH ?/ Angry

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Re: Now Abbott goes after the Pensioners
Reply #5 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 8:29am

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 7:57am:

The only talk is about raising retirement age. I cannot find anything about pensioners being hit. If you are currently on a pension then it is life as usual.

Incorrect....... there are rumblings that Abbott & Hockey will be using the family home for means testing so to cut out or reduce pensioner entitlements e.g. PBS & Doctors visits & hospital stays.

What will a pensioner who is cash poor going to have to do?

Sell their house to pay the bills & then try to survive paying rent?

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Re: Now Abbott goes after the Pensioners
Reply #6 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 8:45am

red baron wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 6:27am:

Oh great, following the great asset sell off news.

We now have news from the bunker that the Abbott Government is about to go after Pensioners hard.

Forget about the fact that huge multi national companies like Google and Apple are paying bugger all tax on this Country and shifting their profits off shore.

No, don't touch them Tony not when you can go after the people, least able to defend themselves, after the Pensioners who are lucky to have enough left to pay the light bill.

You are effectively committing Political suicide after getting off to a good start.

You have lost me. I don't like liars and you are one.

There was none of this sh.t in your policies during the election, you have defrauded all of us.

Yours will be a one term Government.

multi national companies often shift their profits off shore when tax's become high, high enough they are no longer willing to pay, rising tax's would result in more profits moving off shore.

Taxing the hell out of companies will not solve our problems and all we will be doing is shooting ourselves in the foot. Going after Pensioners pay will also achieve very little, and is not the answer.

We need to be creating wealth not cutting and taxing.

Oh and at this point, they wont be a one term Government.

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Reply #7 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 8:58am

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 7:57am:

The only talk is about raising retirement age. I cannot find anything about pensioners being hit. If you are currently on a pension then it is life as usual.

There's talk about including the family home in the assets test. That's so old pensioners will be forced to sell their home to rich chinese investors who will rent them back to them Sad

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Reply #8 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 9:00am

red baron wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 6:27am:

Oh great, following the great asset sell off news.

We now have news from the bunker that the Abbott Government is about to go after Pensioners hard.

Forget about the fact that huge multi national companies like Google and Apple are paying bugger all tax on this Country and shifting their profits off shore.

No, don't touch them Tony not when you can go after the people, least able to defend themselves, after the Pensioners who are lucky to have enough left to pay the light bill.

You are effectively committing Political suicide after getting off to a good start.

You have lost me. I don't like liars and you are one.

There was none of this sh.t in your policies during the election, you have defrauded all of us.

Yours will be a one term Government.

I bet you phony tony will not do one thing about the white shoe negative gearing brigade which cost tax payers in excess of 5 billion a year in uncollected tax revenue Sad

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Now Abbott goes after the Pensioners Reply #10 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 9:05am hillarious, after burying his head in the sand despite being warned hundreds of times, now Red is whinging .... Abbotts got his hand out Red, cough up!
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Re: Now Abbott goes after the Pensioners
Reply #11 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:02am

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 8:29am:

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 7:57am:

The only talk is about raising retirement age. I cannot find anything about pensioners being hit. If you are currently on a pension then it is life as usual.

Incorrect....... there are rumblings that Abbott & Hockey will be using the family home for means testing so to cut out or reduce pensioner entitlements e.g. PBS & Doctors visits & hospital stays.

What will a pensioner who is cash poor going to have to do?

Sell their house to pay the bills & then try to survive paying rent?

But is for current of future pensioners?

Pensions are already means tested. You can't own millions of dollars in properties and get a pension. Isn't this about lowering the cut off on future Pensioners? Just like if your 66 and the retirement age is raised to 68 your not expected to go back to work for two years. Surely this is the same thing thing. If you are 75 in a family house which would now be worth too much under the new system it doesn't matter as it was under the limit when you went on the pension.

I'm happy to be corrected if that is not the case, but I haven't read anything where current pensions need to worry.

(So as to be clear, I would be very much against any current pensioner having to sell up the family home because their property value has gone up over the years and they would now be deemed too wealthy under any new thresholds).

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Reply #12 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:28am

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:02am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 8:29am:

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 7:57am:

The only talk is about raising retirement age. I cannot find anything about pensioners being hit. If you are currently on a pension then it is life as usual.

Incorrect....... there are rumblings that Abbott & Hockey will be using the family home for means testing so to cut out or reduce pensioner entitlements e.g. PBS & Doctors visits & hospital stays.

What will a pensioner who is cash poor going to have to do?

Sell their house to pay the bills & then try to survive paying rent?

But is for current of future pensioners?

Pensions are already means tested. You can't own millions of dollars in properties and get a pension. Isn't this about lowering the cut off on future Pensioners? Just like if your 66 and the retirement age is raised to 68 your not expected to go back to work for two years. Surely this is the same thing thing. If you are 75 in a family house which would now be worth too much under the new system it doesn't matter as it was under the limit when you went on the pension.

I'm happy to be corrected if that is not the case, but I haven't read anything where current pensions need to worry.

(So as to be clear, I would be very much against any current pensioner having to sell up the family home because their property value has gone up over the years and they would now be deemed too wealthy under any new thresholds).

What about the old folk who have bought their house for a song back in the 60's ? It's not their fault that successive governments have meddled in the property market and helped overinflate house prices Sad

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Reply #13 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:34am

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:28am:

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:02am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 8:29am:

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 7:57am:

The only talk is about raising retirement age. I cannot find anything about pensioners being hit. If you are currently on a pension then it is life as usual.

Incorrect....... there are rumblings that Abbott & Hockey will be using the family home for means testing so to cut out or reduce pensioner entitlements e.g. PBS & Doctors visits & hospital stays.

What will a pensioner who is cash poor going to have to do?

Sell their house to pay the bills & then try to survive paying rent?

But is for current of future pensioners?

Pensions are already means tested. You can't own millions of dollars in properties and get a pension. Isn't this about lowering the cut off on future Pensioners? Just like if your 66 and the retirement age is raised to 68 your not expected to go back to work for two years. Surely this is the same thing thing. If you are 75 in a family house which would now be worth too much under the new system it doesn't matter as it was under the limit when you went on the pension.

I'm happy to be corrected if that is not the case, but I haven't read anything where current pensions need to worry.

(So as to be clear, I would be very much against any current pensioner having to sell up the family home because their property value has gone up over the years and they would now be deemed too wealthy under any new thresholds).

What about the old folk who have bought their house for a song back in the 60's ? It's not their fault that successive governments have meddled in the property market and helped overinflate house prices Sad

Thank you for contributing absolutely nothing but to turn this thread into another one of your "I can't afford a house" rants.

But in answer to your question, let me repeat;

So as to be clear, I would be very much against any current pensioner having to sell up the family home because their property value has gone up over the years and they would now be deemed too wealthy under any new thresholds

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Reply #14 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 11:48am

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:34am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:28am:

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 10:02am:

Gnads wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 8:29am:

Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 7:57am:

The only talk is about raising retirement age. I cannot find anything about pensioners being hit. If you are currently on a pension then it is life as usual.

Incorrect....... there are rumblings that Abbott & Hockey will be using the family home for means testing so to cut out or reduce pensioner entitlements e.g. PBS & Doctors visits & hospital stays.

What will a pensioner who is cash poor going to have to do?

Sell their house to pay the bills & then try to survive paying rent?

But is for current of future pensioners?

Pensions are already means tested. You can't own millions of dollars in properties and get a pension. Isn't this about lowering the cut off on future Pensioners? Just like if your 66 and the retirement age is raised to 68 your not expected to go back to work for two years. Surely this is the same thing thing. If you are 75 in a family house which would now be worth too much under the new system it doesn't matter as it was under the limit when you went on the pension.

I'm happy to be corrected if that is not the case, but I haven't read anything where current pensions need to worry.

(So as to be clear, I would be very much against any current pensioner having to sell up the family home because their property value has gone up over the years and they would now be deemed too wealthy under any new thresholds).

What about the old folk who have bought their house for a song back in the 60's ? It's not their fault that successive governments have meddled in the property market and helped overinflate house prices Sad

Thank you for contributing absolutely nothing but to turn this thread into another one of your "I can't afford a house" rants.

But in answer to your question, let me repeat;

So as to be clear, I would be very much against any current pensioner having to sell up the family home because their property value has gone up over the years and they would now be deemed too wealthy under any new thresholds

Hey I'm not the only one who can't afford it.

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