Australian Politics Forum - Today On The National Press Club Address.

Bread and Butter

Senior Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 390
Gender: female

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #30 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:37pm

____ wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:16pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:02pm:

____ wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 2:48pm:

100% renewable energy target

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/sites/default/files/wa_clean_energy_roadmap...

http://ewp.industry.gov.au/sites/ewp.industry.gov.au/files/Energy%202029%20-%20g...

Regurgitation is not explanation. Repetition is not argument.

Links are allowed and if you can't refute the links then that is your issue.

all you have done is regurgitate. That is not an argument.

Back to top

IP Logged

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #31 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:43pm

Quote:

It is just one of those eye-rolling moments that people don't even bother to contend. What would be the point, after making such a silly and unsupportable claim?

It's not silly and it's not unsupported as the links prove.

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/sites/default/files/wa_clean_energy_roadmap...

http://ewp.industry.gov.au/sites/ewp.industry.gov.au/files/Energy%202029%20-%20g...

Back to top

IP Logged

Bread and Butter

Senior Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 390
Gender: female

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #32 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:47pm

____ wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Quote:

It is just one of those eye-rolling moments that people don't even bother to contend. What would be the point, after making such a silly and unsupportable claim?

It's not silly and it's not unsupported as the links prove.

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/sites/default/files/wa_clean_energy_roadmap...

http://ewp.industry.gov.au/sites/ewp.industry.gov.au/files/Energy%202029%20-%20g...

Quoting a Greens document to support a Greens policy is not exactly the stuff of which incontrovertible evidence is made. Find one commissioned by other groups and you might have a fighting chance of commencing a debate.

Back to top

IP Logged

____

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 33410
Australia
Gender: male

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #33 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:03pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:47pm:

____ wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Quote:

It is just one of those eye-rolling moments that people don't even bother to contend. What would be the point, after making such a silly and unsupportable claim?

It's not silly and it's not unsupported as the links prove.

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/sites/default/files/wa_clean_energy_roadmap...

http://ewp.industry.gov.au/sites/ewp.industry.gov.au/files/Energy%202029%20-%20g...

Quoting a Greens document to support a Greens policy is not exactly the stuff of which incontrovertible evidence is made. Find one commissioned by other groups and you might have a fighting chance of commencing a debate.

Posted the links to counter your opinion that Milne's comment is unsupported and by your reaction, mission accomplished.

Back to top

IP Logged

Dsmithy70

Gold Member

Offline

ire futuis vobismetipsis

Posts: 13147
Newy
Gender: male

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #34 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:05pm

Grendel wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 12:25pm:

No one (so far) bothered to ask her how turning power to 100% renewables was going to make electricity cheaper as she claimed. Cheesy

It would depend on a few thing that are frankly never going to happen.

1) The government & private enterprise would have to come together and invest heavily & seriously in R&D, it would also have to be in a collaborative spirit, not one commercial in confidence.

2) The sector, once the technology has been discovered would require massive subsidies for the initial build & start up phase.

3) Once the top 2 points are meet it could be worked like the Sydney harbour bridge was supposed too.

We would pay a reasonable price that has a % built in to repay government loans & once loans repaid we would only have to cover upkeep & maintenance which would by its very nature be cheaper than finite resources & the processes required to obtain them.

Back to top

REBELLION is not what most people think it is.
REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
Gavin Nascimento

IP Logged

Bread and Butter

Senior Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 390
Gender: female

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #35 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:20pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:05pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 12:25pm:

No one (so far) bothered to ask her how turning power to 100% renewables was going to make electricity cheaper as she claimed. Cheesy

It would depend on a few thing that are frankly never going to happen.

1) The government & private enterprise would have to come together and invest heavily & seriously in R&D, it would also have to be in a collaborative spirit, not one commercial in confidence.

2) The sector, once the technology has been discovered would require massive subsidies for the initial build & start up phase.

3) Once the top 2 points are meet it could be worked like the Sydney harbour bridge was supposed too.

We would pay a reasonable price that has a % built in to repay government loans & once loans repaid we would only have to cover upkeep & maintenance which would by its very nature be cheaper than finite resources & the processes required to obtain them.

Well let's see, shall we?

It would be orders of magnitude bigger and more expensive than the NBN. Now if that fiasco isn't a lesson learned then hang on for more.

It would cost a trillion dollars and anyone seriously trying to suggest otherwise is not au fait with the price increases and blowouts of ALL major projects.

Electricity prices would effectively triple or worse.

I don't see anything even remotely attractive in that scenario. The industry should be encouraged to innovate and evolve. Pushing it along - like the NBN - is only courting disaster.

Back to top

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #36 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:31pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:47pm:

____ wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Quote:

It is just one of those eye-rolling moments that people don't even bother to contend. What would be the point, after making such a silly and unsupportable claim?

It's not silly and it's not unsupported as the links prove.

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/sites/default/files/wa_clean_energy_roadmap...

http://ewp.industry.gov.au/sites/ewp.industry.gov.au/files/Energy%202029%20-%20g...

Quoting a Greens document to support a Greens policy is not exactly the stuff of which incontrovertible evidence is made. Find one commissioned by other groups and you might have a fighting chance of commencing a debate.

ONLY the greens read them...B&B..its like being in a cult...only the brainwashed take any notice...and look what happens to them..lind of zombiefied..

Back to top

IP Logged

Dsmithy70

Gold Member

Offline

ire futuis vobismetipsis

Posts: 13147
Newy
Gender: male

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #37 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:32pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:20pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:05pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 12:25pm:

No one (so far) bothered to ask her how turning power to 100% renewables was going to make electricity cheaper as she claimed. Cheesy

It would depend on a few thing that are frankly never going to happen.

1) The government & private enterprise would have to come together and invest heavily & seriously in R&D, it would also have to be in a collaborative spirit, not one commercial in confidence.

2) The sector, once the technology has been discovered would require massive subsidies for the initial build & start up phase.

3) Once the top 2 points are meet it could be worked like the Sydney harbour bridge was supposed too.

We would pay a reasonable price that has a % built in to repay government loans & once loans repaid we would only have to cover upkeep & maintenance which would by its very nature be cheaper than finite resources & the processes required to obtain them.

Well let's see, shall we?

It would be orders of magnitude bigger and more expensive than the NBN. Now if that fiasco isn't a lesson learned then hang on for more.

It would cost a trillion dollars and anyone seriously trying to suggest otherwise is not au fait with the price increases and blowouts of ALL major projects.

Electricity prices would effectively triple or worse.

I don't see anything even remotely attractive in that scenario. The industry should be encouraged to innovate and evolve. Pushing it along - like the NBN - is only courting disaster.

I wasn't advocating one way or another, just pointing out how electricity prices would eventually become cheaper.

However you have provided an interesting look into the psych of the modern day person.

It's all too big, all too hard, all too expensive.

Imagine if the North Americans had that attitude with their railways, imagine if we had that attitude with the telegraph cable to London, imagine how much less we would be as a species let alone individual countries if our forebears had the attitude you express. Huh

Back to top

REBELLION is not what most people think it is.
REBELLION is when you turn off the TV & start educating & thinking for yourself.
Gavin Nascimento

IP Logged

Bread and Butter

Senior Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 390
Gender: female

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #38 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:35pm

cods wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 4:31pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:47pm:

____ wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Quote:

It is just one of those eye-rolling moments that people don't even bother to contend. What would be the point, after making such a silly and unsupportable claim?

It's not silly and it's not unsupported as the links prove.

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/sites/default/files/wa_clean_energy_roadmap...

http://ewp.industry.gov.au/sites/ewp.industry.gov.au/files/Energy%202029%20-%20g...

Quoting a Greens document to support a Greens policy is not exactly the stuff of which incontrovertible evidence is made. Find one commissioned by other groups and you might have a fighting chance of commencing a debate.

ONLY the greens read them...B&B..its like being in a cult...only the brainwashed take any notice...and look what happens to them..lind of zombiefied..

All I ask for is studies conducted by reputable people or authorities and not those with a vested interest or political bent in place.

Back to top

IP Logged

Grendel

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 28080
Gender: male

Re: Today On The National Press Club Address.
Reply #39 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 5:27pm

Quote:

The Coalition has lied by stating that the carbon price would cause devastation to the economy, cost Australians an average of $500 a year (this is a lie that wilfully ignores the compensation) and would wipe Whyalla off the map. Whyalla's still there.

Oh puhlease why would anyone with a brain attach themselves to that idiot Emerson?

The carbon tax was not going to affect ordinary Australian just a few big companies.
There was no need for compensation.
Then reality struck...
Cost of living rises and utility hikes.
people needed compensation.
Then came the compensation we were told nobody would need.
Then we were told we were over compensated.
That was also a lie.
Repeated ad nauseam, obviously by people who don't pay bills.
The compensation I received has never gone close to making up the difference.
The pathetic amount paid to people on Newstart... is a spit in the wind.

Back to top

IP Logged

Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Today On The National Press Club Address. Reply #40 - Apr 1^st, 2014 at 5:29pm Bam wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 2:13pm: As for Milne giving the speech, I think the Greens would have been better served by allowing Ludlum to speak instead. He is the Senator who is up for re-election in WA and he is quite a good speaker. For a lunatic... I heard his last rant... abbott abbott abbott....
Back to top	IP Logged