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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #90 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:32pm
 
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:30pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:08pm:
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 5:57pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 5:54pm:
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 5:48pm:
the significant long-held assumption from history etc is that Jesus existed and is an assumption that has been held since the first century.


thats it? thats all you've got? an assumption

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Are there any words longer than 4 letters that you actually understand.


of course ... do you understand what His existence is beyond doubt. There is far more evidence for Jesus' existence than most figures of antiquity means?


Yes, it is called the restating of a well established fact of history. It is not 'making a claim'.  Try using words with a degree of precision and the world makes a lot more sense.




"beyond doubt", and now "fact".

Oh, this just gets better and better.




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Reply #91 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:34pm
 

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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #93 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:55pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:32pm:
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:30pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:08pm:
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 5:57pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 5:54pm:
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 5:48pm:
the significant long-held assumption from history etc is that Jesus existed and is an assumption that has been held since the first century.


thats it? thats all you've got? an assumption

http://collegetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Ashton-Kutcher-laughing.gif

hillarious


Are there any words longer than 4 letters that you actually understand.


of course ... do you understand what His existence is beyond doubt. There is far more evidence for Jesus' existence than most figures of antiquity means?


Yes, it is called the restating of a well established fact of history. It is not 'making a claim'.  Try using words with a degree of precision and the world makes a lot more sense.




"beyond doubt", and now "fact".

Oh, this just gets better and better.



Your cynicism suits you well.  It encompasses and arrogant and yet clearly bereft soul.

For all your words, you never actually seem to engage the debate, just stand around trying to look smart and I am sure some do think so, but the clever see you as someone of little substance or consequence. I've not yet once seen you formulate an argument on anything at all that goes beyond mindless pedantry of a word or phrase that you mis-use anyhow.

In a public debate with rules and moderators you would die in seconds. I submit that it is actually impossible to prove anything to you - not because you are very clever, but rather because you are very stupid.


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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #94 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:59pm
 
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:30pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:08pm:
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 5:57pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 5:54pm:
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 5:48pm:
the significant long-held assumption from history etc is that Jesus existed and is an assumption that has been held since the first century.


thats it? thats all you've got? an assumption

http://collegetimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Ashton-Kutcher-laughing.gif

hillarious


Are there any words longer than 4 letters that you actually understand.


of course ... do you understand what His existence is beyond doubt. There is far more evidence for Jesus' existence than most figures of antiquity means?


Yes, it is called the restating of a well established fact of history. It is not 'making a claim'.  Try using words with a degree of precision and the world makes a lot more sense.



its no more fact than claims that the pyramids were put there by aliens ...

how about you provide some of this 'far more evidence for Jesus' existence than most figures of antiquity' rather than just use the 'everyone knows' excuse?
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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #95 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 7:00pm
 
Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 6:55pm:
Your cynicism suits you well.  It encompasses and arrogant and yet clearly bereft soul.For all your words, you never actually seem to engage the debate



you are right ... Ok, back to the debate

How gullible are some people?

apparently very gullible ... just look what one idiot wrote ...

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 11:54am:
His existence is beyond doubt. There is far more evidence for Jesus' existence than most figures of antiquity.  But feel free to cling to your delusion if you must.


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Reply #96 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 9:54pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 11:34am:
There are some so gullible, that they believe Jesus Christ actually existed 2000 years ago.


Flavius Josephus (37AD – c. 100AD), a Romano-Jewish historian of priestly and royal ancestry recorded Jewish history, with special emphasis on the 1st century AD.   In The Antiquities of the Jews, he wrote:
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Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.


Tacitus, a Roman Historian (55AD -120AD.  In his Annals he wrote of a fire that burned a large part of Rome:
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Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.


Pliny the Elder, in correspondence with the Emperor Trajan, wrote:
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They were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and bound themselves to a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft, adultery, never to falsify their word, not to deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of a meal–but ordinary and innocent food.


Lucian of Samosate (Born 115 AD), Greek satirist and lecturer wrote:
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He was second only to that one whom they still worship today, the man in Palestine who was crucified because he brought this new form of initiation into the world. “Having convinced themselves that they are immortal and will live forever, the poor wretches despise death and most willingly give themselves to it. Moreover, that first lawgiver of theirs persuaded them that they are all brothers the moment they transgress and deny the Greek gods and begin worshiping that crucified sophist and living by his laws. “They scorn all possessions without distinction and treat them as community property. They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time.


Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus a Roman historian active around the beginning of the second century (he died in 130AD), in De Vita Caesarum wrote:
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The emperor Claudius reigned 41 to 54 AD. Suetonius reports his dealings with the eastern Roman Empire, that is, with Greece and Macedonia, and with the Lycians, Rhodians, and Trojans. He then reports that the emperor expelled the Jews from Rome, since they “constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Christ” (Judaeos impulsore Chresto assidue tumultuantis Roma expulit). The name appears in manuscripts of Suetonius as Chrestus, a form also used by the Roman historian Tacitus to refer to Chrestiani.
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Reply #97 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 10:32pm
 
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Reply #99 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 10:43pm
 
Frances wrote on Apr 1st, 2014 at 9:54pm:
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There are some so gullible, that they believe Jesus Christ actually existed 2000 years ago.

I don't see the point of arguing whether Jesus did or did not exist... Did Siddhartha Gotama (the Buddha) exist? Was he an Indian Prince?

It doesn't matter.

These people could well have existed as mortal humans.

But gullibility, when it comes to religious artefacts, has been with Christendom since even before Constantine the Great's mother, Helena, went on a trek to Palestine to find the true cross and to Sinai to locate the site of the burning bush.

The Shroud of Turin?

The Arc of the Covenant claimed to be in that church in Ethiopia.

et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Reply #102 - Apr 1st, 2014 at 10:44pm
 
There are some so gullible, that they believe Flavius Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Elder, Lucian of Samosate and Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus actually existed. 

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