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Sir Spot of Borg

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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #195 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:54pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:43pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 12:55pm:

Quantum wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 11:33am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:24am:

rubbish ... the posts about Jesus in the beginning of the thread were clearly about Jesus from the bible ... What Greg and I both agree (it appears that way) on is that there is no evidence of the Jesus mentioned in the bible ... you want to start playing games and pretend you were talking about another Jesus go for it

by the way .... why use the moniker B&B?

Sock accusations now? Is that the best you got to deflect from the fact you have no bloody idea what you are talking about?

Greggery was the one who threw the baby out with the bathwater right at the start. He made the claim Jesus never existed. Yet all mainstream historians accept that the Jesus of the Bible was a real person, the only dispute is whether he did all the things the Bible says he did. Maybe if you took the time to read a bit of history you wouldn't have been so fast to jump on such an idiotic position as to say Jesus never existed.

This thread has shown that a few people are all talk and no knowledge. You, Spot, pecca, have all been so fast to mock others about historical issues that none of you realised just how much ignorance you were all displaying. Idiotic comments about there not being enough records or those that we do have being dated after the event are ignorant to the extreme. Your belief in Roman record keeping is itself apart of the very historical record that you mock when it is convenient. All people such as Alexander the Great, Alfred the Great, Galileo, Darwin, and any other name from history not only all have myth around them, but also have very few records of their existence from their own time. Even World War Two was not written about in any meaningful until after the war was finished. In fact the best works are being written this century as emotions cool and the missing pieces come to light. But I can just imagine people like you 1000 years from now saying "World War Two never happened. The history books you quote from were written years after the fact. We can't really know anything about that time. There was no Hitler!" An outrageous statement to anyone today, but no more different than the ignorance people like you display towards the events and people of the past.

If we are to dispute the myths then by your reasoning we must also dispute the existence of the very person. If the records we have post date the person then they to must be discarded. Anything else would be a total inconsistency and would turn history into nothing but personal belief without any framework. I think you would be shocked at just how few people from history measure up to your standards of proof if you took the same position with them that you are taking with Jesus.

Nope. No valid historian would claim that jesus existed. Some prolly will say that someone named jesus
*may* have existed to get religious nuts off their back but they wouldn't claim he existed as a fact because thats not what history is about. History is about facts.

Your idea of "mainstream"must be very strange . . .

SOB

You must be the class clown. Every forum has one or more and they are the people who are either deliberately stupid or bring a naturally acquired idiocy to the place.

More ad-hominem. Thats against the rules isnt it? I guess you disagree or something?

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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #196 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:56pm

Datalife wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2014 at 6:07pm:

I've read it.

Here's my review:

By Amazon Customer "grrreg"

Hilarious and crazy stuff. Still an interesting series of posts, I like peccerys dancing, very energetic and creative. I look forward to more side shuffles, moonwalk misdirections and the tap with some limbo work .

Dr Who eh? Nothing wrong with that, bit of a fan myself, though I was surprised that peccerhead claims he was employed by the Oz government. I thought him to be unemployed.

greggerypeccary didn't claim to be employed by the government: grrreg did.

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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #197 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:00pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Quantum wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 11:33am:

Sock accusations now? Is that the best you got to deflect from the fact you have no bloody idea what you are talking about?

you earlier said 'Quantum wrote on Apr 1^st, 2014 at 11:35pm:

Right back at the start I said this;"historians overwhelmingly support the factual existence of a man named Jesus 2000 years ago. Sure many won't believe him to be the Son of God, but they don't doubt the man himself existed."

the only quote i saw remotely similar was from B&B ...

Quantum wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 11:33am:

He made the claim Jesus never existed. Yet all mainstream historians accept that the Jesus of the Bible was a real person

nooo. historians agree that A Jesus existed, no one can yet prove that it was the Jesus from the bible. Why drag every other historical figure into it. If the evidence is there simply prove it and leave attila the hun and everyone else out of it!

You can go to almost any historical reference both current and ancient and they also record the existed of Jesus of Nazereth the One who claimed to be God. That is actually indisputable except in small argumentative minds.

This entire debate is about demonstrating just how tiny some of you are. Greg is obviously just trolling, but the fact that any of the rest of you accept it is a sad indictment of whatever passed for your education, both formal and informal.

The entire debate is about demonstrating how gullible some people are.

"How gullible are some people?"

You, for instance, think that the existence of JC is "beyond doubt", "indisputable", and a "fact".

I can't think of a more perfect example of just how gullible some people can be (except, perhaps, the AGW alarmists).

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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #198 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:07pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:54pm:

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:43pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 12:55pm:

Quantum wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 11:33am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:24am:

rubbish ... the posts about Jesus in the beginning of the thread were clearly about Jesus from the bible ... What Greg and I both agree (it appears that way) on is that there is no evidence of the Jesus mentioned in the bible ... you want to start playing games and pretend you were talking about another Jesus go for it

by the way .... why use the moniker B&B?

Sock accusations now? Is that the best you got to deflect from the fact you have no bloody idea what you are talking about?

Greggery was the one who threw the baby out with the bathwater right at the start. He made the claim Jesus never existed. Yet all mainstream historians accept that the Jesus of the Bible was a real person, the only dispute is whether he did all the things the Bible says he did. Maybe if you took the time to read a bit of history you wouldn't have been so fast to jump on such an idiotic position as to say Jesus never existed.

This thread has shown that a few people are all talk and no knowledge. You, Spot, pecca, have all been so fast to mock others about historical issues that none of you realised just how much ignorance you were all displaying. Idiotic comments about there not being enough records or those that we do have being dated after the event are ignorant to the extreme. Your belief in Roman record keeping is itself apart of the very historical record that you mock when it is convenient. All people such as Alexander the Great, Alfred the Great, Galileo, Darwin, and any other name from history not only all have myth around them, but also have very few records of their existence from their own time. Even World War Two was not written about in any meaningful until after the war was finished. In fact the best works are being written this century as emotions cool and the missing pieces come to light. But I can just imagine people like you 1000 years from now saying "World War Two never happened. The history books you quote from were written years after the fact. We can't really know anything about that time. There was no Hitler!" An outrageous statement to anyone today, but no more different than the ignorance people like you display towards the events and people of the past.

If we are to dispute the myths then by your reasoning we must also dispute the existence of the very person. If the records we have post date the person then they to must be discarded. Anything else would be a total inconsistency and would turn history into nothing but personal belief without any framework. I think you would be shocked at just how few people from history measure up to your standards of proof if you took the same position with them that you are taking with Jesus.

Nope. No valid historian would claim that jesus existed. Some prolly will say that someone named jesus
*may* have existed to get religious nuts off their back but they wouldn't claim he existed as a fact because thats not what history is about. History is about facts.

Your idea of "mainstream"must be very strange . . .

SOB

You must be the class clown. Every forum has one or more and they are the people who are either deliberately stupid or bring a naturally acquired idiocy to the place.

More ad-hominem. Thats against the rules isnt it? I guess you disagree or something?

SOB

You spout complete untruths and appear incapable of even understanding why they are untruths. That is usually the sign of a troll or one lacking in the capacity to understand. Claiming that a vast majority of the world denies the existence of Jesus or that most of the world is Hindu are pretty epic failures.

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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #199 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:00pm: