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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74446 Gender:	Re: How gullible are some people? Reply #255 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:00am aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 5:57am: Do you really think a book would last this long if it offered nothing. who says it offers nothing? The bible is brilliant in that whilst so obviously wrong, it gives many people the one thing they are usually missing in their miserable lives .... HOPE.
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Reply #256 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:02am

I read the bible a few times and read a few interpretations of it.
To me , it is like a wonderful Shakespearean play, full of rich wisdom and some really really inciteful stuff.

Aetheists get angry and rightly point to the evil of pedophillia in catholic priests, to the hypocricy of a Kenneth Copeland who owns 3 private jets.

these people have nothing to do with the basic divinely inspired message of the bible.

Aetheists show their ignorance in this area.

they are living their lives on a lower , flatter, more beige level.
If they would embrace the rich teachings of some of the great religious thinkers, a whole new world would open up to them
if they cant embrace the bible, embrace the dharma.
if someone can find me something spoken by the Buddha in his 45 years of lecturing which is "untrue" or "illogical" post it here. Wink

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Reply #257 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:10am

another factor that everyone seems to forget is that the story if Jesus is very similar to the many of the stories of Horus, and Egyptian god 1000yrs before Jesus. Both born of a virgin, both performed miracles, both sons of gods, both resurrected and many many more similarities

All these monkeys who say his existence is irrefutable please prove that the stories been passed down by word of mouth were in fact about Jesus and not Horus .... especially given that the story of Jesus is centered during the middle of the Roman Empire, an empire famous for adoptiong and adapting other religions. Is it inconceivable that the romans adopted the story and made adjustments to names etc to suit their own peoples?

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Reply #258 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:11am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

I read the bible a few times and read a few interpretations of it.
To me , it is like a wonderful Shakespearean play, full of rich wisdom and some really really inciteful stuff.

Aetheists get angry and rightly point to the evil of pedophillia in catholic priests, to the hypocricy of a Kenneth Copeland who owns 3 private jets.

these people have nothing to do with the basic divinely inspired message of the bible.

Aetheists show their ignorance in this area.

they are living their lives on a lower , flatter, more beige level.
If they would embrace the rich teachings of some of the great religious thinkers, a whole new world would open up to them
if they cant embrace the bible, embrace the dharma.
if someone can find me something spoken by the Buddha in his 45 years of lecturing which is "untrue" or "illogical" post it here. Wink

The bible in my opinion was written to teach the difference between right and wrong, to inspire and to offer hope. That , however does not make it factual.

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Reply #259 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:13am

Just skipped through these 17 pages 18 pages.

Wow!

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Is Jesus [the Jesus of the Bible], real ?

In my experience, reality exists within ideas, more so, than within this world. [e.g. "I think, therefore..."
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If you cannot 'believe' that, then i am sorry for you.

And on....

If you want to know if Jesus 'can be real', for you, i would encourage you, to actually read the Bible.

Then you will 'know' [...for yourself!], if Jesus is real, for you.

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If you choose, to decide, to read the Bible....

I would suggest you start with...
The Book of Psalms. ....my favourite book of the Bible.
The Book of Proverbs.

Then, read the whole of the New Testament.
Then, read the whole of the Old Testament.

But to just open it, and start reading, is good.

"The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible."

Dwight L. Moody (American Evangelist, 1837-1899)

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #260 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:22am

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

In my experience, reality exists within ideas, more so, than within this world

ok, so he existed in someones mind rather than in reality .,... thats what I thought

read the bible, several time, although many years ago , attended catholic school , was even an alter boy for a couple of years .... so this assumption that only those who've never read the bible don't believe is a load of bollocks

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Reply #261 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:24am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 6:52am:

The issue of Jesus' historicity is just one in a line of alleged historical figures whose historicity is also in question.

But there is none more poignant and relevant today for a nation than the current debate over the historicity of Moses.

For Israelis (Jews) his existence would be a very convenient truth, if they can lay the deepest claim to the land they call Israel... He was its 'founding father', as important to them as Mohammed is to Muslims.

However, no archaeological (or any scientific) evidence has ever been uncovered to prove or suggest that he ever existed and nearly every Israeli archaeologist accepts he probably didn't.

Forget the miracles, There appears to have been no Exodus from Egypt, no record at all of Rammesses II emancipating the Jews, then changing his mind and chasing them through the desert.

Tradition is all they have. For the Christians, with Jesus, the same... For the Buddhists, with Siddhartha, the same... And, I'd bet, for Mohammed the same as well.

Their existence cannot be scientifically proved (or disproved)... And they don't need to be. Their existence as ancient traditional folklore has the same effect on believers (and always has) as the Greek gods on Olympus had to the ancient Greeks (and possibly still has a cultural effect on modern Greeks today).

If it could be demonstrated that Socrates, Plato and Aristotle probably didn't exist, would it have any relevance at all on modern European culture with its philosophical traditions? ... They were, after all, the founding fathers of Western culture.

Conviction is the art of being certain

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #262 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:29am

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

In my experience, reality exists within ideas, more so, than within this world

ok, so he existed in someones mind rather than in reality .,... thats what I thought

(I) read the bible, several time,

although many years ago , attended catholic school , was even an alter boy for a couple of years ....

so this assumption that only those who've never read the bible don't believe is a load of bollocks

You have read the Bible.

You do not can not believe.

I am sorry for you.

You deserve my sympathy.

Please enjoy this life.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #263 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:34am

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

In my experience, reality exists within ideas, more so, than within this world

ok, so he existed in someones mind rather than in reality .,... thats what I thought

read the bible, several time, although many years ago , attended catholic school , was even an alter boy for a couple of years .... so this assumption that only those who've never read the bible don't believe is a load of bollocks

I've read it twice, from cover to cover.

Great book. I'm sure I'll read it again.

I have two versions on my fiction book shelves.

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Reply #264 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:36am

aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

I read the bible a few times and read a few interpretations of it.

To me , it is like a wonderful Shakespearean play, full of rich wisdom and some really really inciteful stuff.

aquascoot,

It certainly is!

The Bible is all about us - about man.

Our dreams, our motives, our wickedness, our selfishness, our violence, ....and our redemption.

And it is really, really, insightful stuff. Wink

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #265 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:37am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:34am:

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:22am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

In my experience, reality exists within ideas, more so, than within this world

ok, so he existed in someones mind rather than in reality .,... thats what I thought

read the bible, several time, although many years ago , attended catholic school , was even an alter boy for a couple of years .... so this assumption that only those who've never read the bible don't believe is a load of bollocks

I've read it twice, from cover to cover.

Great book. I'm sure I'll read it again.

I have two versions on my fiction book shelves.

LOL

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #266 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:54am

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

another factor that everyone seems to forget is that the story if Jesus is very similar to the many of the stories of Horus, and Egyptian god 1000yrs before Jesus. Both born of a virgin, both performed miracles, both sons of gods, both resurrected and many many more similarities

Did you learn that from the zeitgeist video? Or from the many history books you ignore when they mention Jesus?

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All these monkeys who say his existence is irrefutable please prove that the stories been passed down by word of mouth were in fact about Jesus and not Horus ....

They were not passed down by word of mouth. They were written down.

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especially given that the story of Jesus is centered during the middle of the Roman Empire, an empire famous for adoptiong and adapting other religions. Is it inconceivable that the romans adopted the story and made adjustments to names etc to suit their own peoples?

If you ignore the near 300 years in which Christians were killed by the Romans until it become a Roman religion.

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Reply #267 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 11:18am

Yadda wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:36am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

I read the bible a few times and read a few interpretations of it.

To me , it is like a wonderful Shakespearean play, full of rich wisdom and some really really inciteful stuff.

aquascoot,

It certainly is!

The Bible is all about us - about man.

Our dreams, our motives, our wickedness, our selfishness, our violence, ....and our redemption.

And it is really, really, insightful stuff. Wink

Sorry for the spelling error yadda Wink

. insightful

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Reply #268 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 11:32am

John Smith wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:02am:

I read the bible a few times and read a few interpretations of it.
To me , it is like a wonderful Shakespearean play, full of rich wisdom and some really really inciteful stuff.

Aetheists get angry and rightly point to the evil of pedophillia in catholic priests, to the hypocricy of a Kenneth Copeland who owns 3 private jets.

these people have nothing to do with the basic divinely inspired message of the bible.

Aetheists show their ignorance in this area.

they are living their lives on a lower , flatter, more beige level.
If they would embrace the rich teachings of some of the great religious thinkers, a whole new world would open up to them
if they cant embrace the bible, embrace the dharma.
if someone can find me something spoken by the Buddha in his 45 years of lecturing which is "untrue" or "illogical" post it here. Wink

The bible in my opinion was written to teach the difference between right and wrong, to inspire and to offer hope. That , however does not make it factual.

methods for teaching the difference between right and wrong, if they prove effective and repeatable , are like a scientific fact.
ie they are factual.
in the world of "ideas" we can only look at the Wisdom of these ideas and see if they apply.

For example, is it true that "the love of money is the root of all evil" . I would say this is a factual statement. Wink

Is it true that "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" . I find it hard to refute this statement as well.

But the real gems require an interpretation of the parables , there are good and bad sources to turn to for this.
certainly hillsong ministries and the new evangelical "capitalist" pastors would not be my choice of a reputable place of study (prosperity Christianity is a heresy in my opinion).

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26506 Australia	Re: How gullible are some people? Reply #269 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 11:52am Religion is silly. Seriously an invisible guy that controls everything in your life and punishes you for doing things he made you do? Gullible . . . . SOB
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