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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #270 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:03pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 11:52am:
Religion is silly. Seriously an invisible guy that controls everything in your life and punishes you for doing things he made you do? Gullible . . . .

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You worship all things Star Trek (yet know bugger all about the show) and have an obsession with cats. You combine these two addictions and have created cyborg cats from out of space.

You claim to be over 50 years old, worship cyborg cats, and you want to call other people silly...
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Reply #271 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:07pm
 
Quantum wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 11:52am:
Religion is silly. Seriously an invisible guy that controls everything in your life and punishes you for doing things he made you do? Gullible . . . .

SOB


You worship all things Star Trek (yet know bugger all about the show) and have an obsession with cats. You combine these two addictions and have created cyborg cats from out of space.

You claim to be over 50 years old, worship cyborg cats, and you want to call other people silly...


In your little mind. Where have i even mentioned star trek? Or kats? Just because i have an icon from star trek (with *my actual cat* as the model doesnt mean anything. You are just a troll and it has nothing to do with the topic of gullibility. Also how the heck would you know what i know about the show? Wow you are dipping into the bottom of the barrel now in your pursuit of trying to abuse anyone you disagree with.

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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #272 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:18pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:07pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 11:52am:
Religion is silly. Seriously an invisible guy that controls everything in your life and punishes you for doing things he made you do? Gullible . . . .

SOB


You worship all things Star Trek (yet know bugger all about the show) and have an obsession with cats. You combine these two addictions and have created cyborg cats from out of space.

You claim to be over 50 years old, worship cyborg cats, and you want to call other people silly...


In your little mind. Where have i even mentioned star trek? Or kats? Just because i have an icon from star trek (with *my actual cat* as the model doesnt mean anything. You are just a troll and it has nothing to do with the topic of gullibility. Also how the heck would you know what i know about the show? Wow you are dipping into the bottom of the barrel now in your pursuit of trying to abuse anyone you disagree with.

SOB


You showed you nothing about the show when you insisted that the Bajorans represented Palestinians. Even though the Jewish writers of the show are on record as saying they represent the Jews. But I suppose when you know shlt all about history (as you have yet again proven in this thread) it is hard to make the connections.

Want to talk about gullibility? Anyone who believes you went up in a F111. That would take a level of gullibility that even these holy grail seekers could never understand. 
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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #273 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:24pm
 
Quantum wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:18pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:07pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 11:52am:
Religion is silly. Seriously an invisible guy that controls everything in your life and punishes you for doing things he made you do? Gullible . . . .

SOB


You worship all things Star Trek (yet know bugger all about the show) and have an obsession with cats. You combine these two addictions and have created cyborg cats from out of space.

You claim to be over 50 years old, worship cyborg cats, and you want to call other people silly...


In your little mind. Where have i even mentioned star trek? Or kats? Just because i have an icon from star trek (with *my actual cat* as the model doesnt mean anything. You are just a troll and it has nothing to do with the topic of gullibility. Also how the heck would you know what i know about the show? Wow you are dipping into the bottom of the barrel now in your pursuit of trying to abuse anyone you disagree with.

SOB


You showed you nothing about the show when you insisted that the Bajorans represented Palestinians. Even though the Jewish writers of the show are on record as saying they represent the Jews. But I suppose when you know shlt all about history (as you have yet again proven in this thread) it is hard to make the connections.

Want to talk about gullibility? Anyone who believes you went up in a F111. That would take a level of gullibility that even these holy grail seekers could never understand. 


when and where was that about the bajorans and you are the gullible one if you believe that crap longliar said about the f111. Still hasnt anything to do with the topic.

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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #274 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 6:55pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:29am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:22am:
Yadda wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:13am:
In my experience, reality exists within ideas, more so, than within this world


ok, so he existed in someones mind rather than in reality .,...  thats what I thought

(I) read the bible, several time,

although many years ago , attended catholic school , was even an alter boy for a couple of years ....

so this assumption that only those who've never read the bible don't believe is a load of bollocks




You have read the Bible.

You do not can not believe.

I am sorry for you.

You deserve my sympathy.

Please enjoy this life.



save your sympathy for yourself, you sound like you need it more than I do.
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Reply #275 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:01pm
 
Quantum wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:54am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:10am:
another factor that everyone seems to forget is that the story if Jesus is very similar to the many of the stories of Horus, and Egyptian god 1000yrs before Jesus. Both born of a virgin, both performed miracles, both sons of gods, both resurrected and many many more similarities


Did you learn that from the zeitgeist video? Or from the many history books you ignore when they mention Jesus?

various sources ... did you notice perchance that I don't pretend that Jesus is Horus? I only suggested that there are similarities  ...there are no definites when your dealing with characters from 2000 - 3000 yrs ago. Pretending that there is irrefutable evidence that the biblical jesus existed is akin to convincing yourself that you were once abducted by aliens.


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All these monkeys who say his existence is irrefutable please prove that the stories been passed down by word of mouth were in fact about Jesus and not Horus ....


They were not passed down by word of mouth. They were written down.
written down decades if not centuries after the event ....


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especially given that the story of Jesus is centered during the middle of the Roman Empire, an empire famous for adoptiong and adapting other religions. Is it inconceivable that the romans adopted the story and made adjustments to names etc to suit their own peoples?


If you ignore the near 300 years in which Christians were killed by the Romans until it become a Roman religion.
I ignore nothing ... I already told you the Romans adopted and adapted whatever was the local religion in the area they were occupying



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Reply #276 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:03pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:02am:
To me , it is like a wonderful Shakespearean play,


made up?
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Reply #277 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:06pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 11:32am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:11am:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:02am:
I read the bible a few times and read a few interpretations of it.
To me , it is like a wonderful Shakespearean play, full of rich wisdom and some really really inciteful stuff.

Aetheists get angry and rightly point to the evil of pedophillia in catholic priests, to the hypocricy of a Kenneth Copeland who owns 3 private jets.

these people have nothing to do with the basic divinely inspired message of the bible.

Aetheists show their ignorance in this area.

they are living their lives on a lower , flatter, more beige level.
If they would embrace the rich teachings of some of the great religious thinkers, a whole new world would open up to them
if they cant embrace the bible, embrace the dharma.
if someone can find me something spoken by the Buddha in his 45 years of lecturing which is "untrue" or "illogical"  post it here. Wink Wink


The bible in my opinion was written to teach the difference between right and wrong, to inspire and to offer hope. That , however does not make it factual.



methods for teaching the difference between right and wrong, if they prove effective and repeatable , are like a scientific fact.
ie they are factual.
in the world of "ideas" we can only look at the Wisdom of these ideas and see if they apply.

For example, is it true that "the love of money is the root of all evil"  . I would say this is a factual statement. Wink

Is it true that "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"  . I find it hard to refute this statement as well.

But the real gems require an interpretation of the parables ,  there are good and bad sources to turn to for this.
certainly hillsong ministries and the new evangelical "capitalist" pastors would not be my choice of a reputable place of study (prosperity Christianity is a heresy in my opinion).


most modern day fairy tales were developed to teach kids lessons in life, many or the morals behind them are factual but that does not make the fairy tale scientific fact.

Unless you really want to believe a woodsman cut little red riding hood and her grandmother out of the wolves stomach and they were still alive.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #278 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:11pm
 
I don't believe most people who say they've "read the bible".

It's not a book that lends itself to a leisurely read, which is why priests pick a passage here and there to focus on, instead of just picking up where they left off last week.

I'm even less inclined to believe people who say they've read it twice.  And when somebody with a track record of lying claims to have read it twice, the smell of bullshit becomes overwhelming.
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Reply #279 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:15pm
 
... wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:11pm:
I don't believe most people who say they've "read the bible".

It's not a book that lends itself to a leisurely read, which is why priests pick a passage here and there to focus on, instead of just picking up where they left off last week.

I'm even less inclined to believe people who say they've read it twice.  And when somebody with a track record of lying claims to have read it twice, the smell of bullshit becomes overwhelming.


are you glad now that you've got that off your chest !!!!!   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #280 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:23pm
 
a little.  Thanks for asking.
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Reply #281 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:32pm
 
... wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:23pm:
a little.  Thanks for asking.


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Reply #282 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:25pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:54am:
John Smith wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:10am:
another factor that everyone seems to forget is that the story if Jesus is very similar to the many of the stories of Horus, and Egyptian god 1000yrs before Jesus. Both born of a virgin, both performed miracles, both sons of gods, both resurrected and many many more similarities


Did you learn that from the zeitgeist video? Or from the many history books you ignore when they mention Jesus?

various sources ... did you notice perchance that I don't pretend that Jesus is Horus? I only suggested that there are similarities  ...there are no definites when your dealing with characters from 2000 - 3000 yrs ago. Pretending that there is irrefutable evidence that the biblical jesus existed is akin to convincing yourself that you were once abducted by aliens.


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All these monkeys who say his existence is irrefutable please prove that the stories been passed down by word of mouth were in fact about Jesus and not Horus ....


They were not passed down by word of mouth. They were written down.
written down decades if not centuries after the event ....


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especially given that the story of Jesus is centered during the middle of the Roman Empire, an empire famous for adoptiong and adapting other religions. Is it inconceivable that the romans adopted the story and made adjustments to names etc to suit their own peoples?


If you ignore the near 300 years in which Christians were killed by the Romans until it become a Roman religion.
I ignore nothing ... I already told you the Romans adopted and adapted whatever was the local religion in the area they were occupying





There is still a massive hole in the timeline of your suggestion.

How can the Romans get the Horus story, change the name to Jesus and make it a new religion, when Christianity already existed for 3 centuries before the Romans accepted Christianity?

Or are you suggesting that the Romans created Christianity from the Horus story in the 1st century, and then spent the next 3 centuries trying to destroy their own created religion until deciding to accept it in the 4th century? 

I fail to see how you can not be ignoring the near 300 year persecution of Christians by the Romans if maintaining that the Romans simply adopted the Horus story.

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written down decades if not centuries after the event ....


In their final form. They would not have been passed down by word for decades.

Again this brings us back to the future historian and the World War 2 example. Most of our knowledge of World War 2 in books are those which have been written after the war. But these books where written by people who either witnessed or who investigated primary sources but did not put pen to paper till many years later. We accept this delay as perfectly normal and something inevitable. Why is this such a big issue in the ancient world? If someone witnessed Jesus and wrote their account decades latter, how is that any different to Albert Speers writing his account decades later? Is Weinberg's historical work of the War to be dismissed because it was not written until over half a century after the fact? If not, why dismiss an ancient writing that to would have pulled information from other sources but was likewise written decades latter?

These arguments for taking Jesus out of history would require throwing all history in the bin as the standards being set disqualify everything.
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Reply #283 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 9:32pm
 
... wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 7:11pm:
I don't believe most people who say they've "read the bible".

It's not a book that lends itself to a leisurely read, which is why priests pick a passage here and there to focus on, instead of just picking up where they left off last week.

I'm even less inclined to believe people who say they've read it twice.  And when somebody with a track record of lying claims to have read it twice, the smell of bullshit becomes overwhelming.



You seem to have mistaken the members of this forum for people who give a poo about what you believe.

Still, it's not the first mistake you've made here.  Not by a long shot.




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