Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5
th, 2014 at 10:50pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 5
th, 2014 at 9:36pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 5
th, 2014 at 11:39am:
This is just ignorant myth. What the hell does king James (Protestant), the Vatican (Catholic), and the original manuscripts (The Catholic church does not have all of them locked in their vault) have to do with each other?
Quite a lot actually. The Vulgate and the Vetus Latina (what you are calling the Vatican) and the King James version are translations of the original Greek texts.
From what I have read of the King James version was far ad away the most scholarly (and poetic) attempt at a faithful and honest translation from the Greek. However, even the Protestant translators were not averse to modifying the text for (at the time) modern readers. The reuse of the old French word 'Host' replaced the more directly accurate translation 'army' (as in 'host of angels') which sounded more moderate, less militaristic, than 'army of angels'
Was it originally 'It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle' or ''It is easier for a rope to pass through the eye of a needle' ?
if the debate rides on 'host' vs 'army' then I thing the question is already decided.
It sure adds credence to the probability that the texts were embellished, misinterpreted, mistranslated and (in al likelihood) redefined to fit the political expediencies of their times. If biblical scholars of the 16th/17th centuries can see fit to interpret the text for their readers, how much more so ancient Christian monks of the first millennium, many of whom did not speak or understand well Aramaic, Hebrew, or classical Greek?
And never mind Popes like the manic and crazed Sixtus V, who took it on himself to single-handedly rewrite the bible although he had no skill at all as a translator.
As an aside, Pope Sixtus V ascension to the Papacy was one of the most comical events of the Papacy, worthy of a sitcom episode...
Cardinal Montalto (Sixtus) was thought to be so old and decrepit that his fellow cardinals thought he was nearing death. At the conclave to elect a new Pope (after Gregory XIII had died), "Montalto appeared at the conclave, hollow-cheeked, dull-eyed, with wrinkles carefully applied. His gait was snail-like, his voice scarcely audible. He walked on crutches, and so round-shouldered was he that his head nearly touched the ground. It was evident to all forty-two cardinal-electors as they cast their votes that Montalto was perfect for the papacy. They were immediately undeceived. As soon as Montalto won the vote, according to his biographer Leti, he straightened up, threw his crutches away with the cry, 'Now I am Caesar'!!
In five years, Sixtus V got through fifty years' work. He had teams of men labouring day and night to put the dome on St Peter's. He had the obelisk moved, inch by inch, by hundreds of workmen and mules, to its present central position in the piazza. He built the Vatican Library. He constructed an aqueduct over valleys and hills to bring water twenty miles into Rome... And he rewrote the bible!!!
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