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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #495 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 10:51pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 7:48pm:
what utter rubbish ... my date of birth and parentage (at least half or it) was witnessed by many hospital staff ... .



Name them, then.




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Reply #496 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 10:58pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 9:03pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Who are these witnesses? Are any of them still alive


nurses, docvtors ... they have the records at the hospitals

and I did meet the nurse that delivered me, I was walking down Wollongong mall with my mother when some strange woman came up to me all excited .... apparently it was the nurse that delivered me. She remembered mum

I was born 2 months premmie which was a big deal in 1970, I spent about 6 weeks in an incubater and the nurses got to know mum very well.  ... I guess she always remembered her



All flimsy hearsay and mythology, pal.  Give me proof. You give ME proof. Until you can prove it to ME, you do not exist. You are like Jesus, pal. Mythology and historical error.

How the hell can you be sure, absolutely sure,  that you are the same person as the one named on a birth certificate people pretend to be yours?  You are doubted and there's no way you can prove your own identity.

Your own petard, pal. Note it.



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Reply #497 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:07pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 9:03pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Who are these witnesses? Are any of them still alive


nurses, docvtors ... they have the records at the hospitals

and I did meet the nurse that delivered me, I was walking down Wollongong mall with my mother when some strange woman came up to me all excited .... apparently it was the nurse that delivered me. She remembered mum

I was born 2 months premmie which was a big deal in 1970, I spent about 6 weeks in an incubater and the nurses got to know mum very well.  ... I guess she always remembered her

True. I think in the 20th / 21st century, there's stronger evidence that 'John smith' existed than there is that Jesus existed, Siddhartha existed and, even Socrates and Plato existed.
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Reply #498 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:07pm
 
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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #499 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:16pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 10:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 7:48pm:
what utter rubbish ... my date of birth and parentage (at least half or it) was witnessed by many hospital staff ... .



Name them, then.


Her name was Mary ... the records are there if you want to know more



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Reply #500 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:18pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 10:58pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 9:03pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Who are these witnesses? Are any of them still alive


nurses, docvtors ... they have the records at the hospitals

and I did meet the nurse that delivered me, I was walking down Wollongong mall with my mother when some strange woman came up to me all excited .... apparently it was the nurse that delivered me. She remembered mum

I was born 2 months premmie which was a big deal in 1970, I spent about 6 weeks in an incubater and the nurses got to know mum very well.  ... I guess she always remembered her



All flimsy hearsay and mythology, pal.  Give me proof. You give ME proof. Until you can prove it to ME, you do not exist. You are like Jesus, pal. Mythology and historical error.

How the hell can you be sure, absolutely sure,  that you are the same person as the one named on a birth certificate people pretend to be yours?  You are doubted and there's no way you can prove your own identity.

Your own petard, pal. Note it.



There is only one major flaw with your thinking ... I'm not trying to convince you that I exist .. I really don't give a F$*k if you believe I exist or not. The church on the other hand does care ... 
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Re: How gullible are some people?
Reply #501 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:21pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 10:58pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 9:03pm:
Quantum wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Who are these witnesses? Are any of them still alive


nurses, docvtors ... they have the records at the hospitals

and I did meet the nurse that delivered me, I was walking down Wollongong mall with my mother when some strange woman came up to me all excited .... apparently it was the nurse that delivered me. She remembered mum

I was born 2 months premmie which was a big deal in 1970, I spent about 6 weeks in an incubater and the nurses got to know mum very well.  ... I guess she always remembered her



All flimsy hearsay .



Besides, It is not heresay ... heresay is what you would get if someone I had never met wrote about me in 80 yrs time based solely on stories he had heard . Heresay is what you might write about me.

The records of my birth and my parentage on the other hand, exist.


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Reply #502 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:29pm
 
Well, your name is not john smith, for starters.  You are just a rumour.
And in 100 years, let alone 2000 years, you won't be even that.
You can't even prove that you exist now. A bit embarrassing for a 'doubter'.
Face it, you are very doubtful.
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Reply #503 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:30pm
 
Soren wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:29pm:
Well, your name is not john smith, for starters.  You are just a rumour.
And in 100 years, let alone 2000 years, you won't be even that.
You can't even prove that you exist now. A bit embarrassing for a 'doubter'.
Face it, you are very doubtful.



you are getting pretty desperate now, even by your standards.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #504 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:44pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:16pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 10:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 7:48pm:
what utter rubbish ... my date of birth and parentage (at least half or it) was witnessed by many hospital staff ... .



Name them, then.


Her name was Mary ... the records are there if you want to know more




Considering the main topic of this debate, I'm not sure if you are serious or not  Wink.
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Reply #505 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:50pm
 
Yadda wrote on Apr 10th, 2014 at 6:37pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 10th, 2014 at 1:32pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 10th, 2014 at 6:37am:
Soren wrote on Apr 10th, 2014 at 12:00am:
If you want to call ALL that into doubt, go ahead. It's you versus 2000 years of thinking, reading, writing and discussion.

Tell 'em, dickeaddle, where they ALL went wrong.

"Drink more piss... A million drunks can't be wrong" !


If only all religions were like Buddhism! Especially Christianity. And most especially Catholicism.




Me, i wish more Jews would read [their] Torah.



Deuteronomy 1:8
Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.


But the Jews refuse to go in and possess the land, even to this day.



Jews read the Talmud not the Torah and when they say they read the Torah they actually mean the Talmud.

And Jews are not the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They're descended from Jacobs brother Esau(Edom).

It says in the Jewish Encyclopaedia that "World Jewry is Edom."
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Reply #506 - Apr 12th, 2014 at 1:26pm
 
Taipan wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:50pm:
Yadda wrote on Apr 10th, 2014 at 6:37pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 10th, 2014 at 1:32pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 10th, 2014 at 6:37am:
Soren wrote on Apr 10th, 2014 at 12:00am:
If you want to call ALL that into doubt, go ahead. It's you versus 2000 years of thinking, reading, writing and discussion.

Tell 'em, dickeaddle, where they ALL went wrong.

"Drink more piss... A million drunks can't be wrong" !


If only all religions were like Buddhism! Especially Christianity. And most especially Catholicism.




Me, i wish more Jews would read [their] Torah.



Deuteronomy 1:8
Behold, I have set the land before you: go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give unto them and to their seed after them.


But the Jews refuse to go in and possess the land, even to this day.



Jews read the Talmud not the Torah and when they say they read the Torah they actually mean the Talmud.

And Jews are not the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They're descended from Jacobs brother Esau(Edom).

It says in the Jewish Encyclopaedia that "World Jewry is Edom."





Oh.                 Smiley





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Reply #507 - Apr 12th, 2014 at 1:56pm
 
Quantum wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:44pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:16pm:
Soren wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 10:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 7:48pm:
what utter rubbish ... my date of birth and parentage (at least half or it) was witnessed by many hospital staff ... .



Name them, then.


Her name was Mary ... the records are there if you want to know more




Considering the main topic of this debate, I'm not sure if you are serious or not  Wink.


does it matter?
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Reply #508 - Apr 12th, 2014 at 4:25pm
 
Not at all. Just slightly humorous that in a discussion about whether Jesus was real or not, the witness to your own birth just happens to also be called Mary.
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Reply #509 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 7:32am
 
Quantum wrote on Apr 11th, 2014 at 8:12pm:
Everything therefore can have doubt surrounding it. But there has to be a point where we accept that the evidence pushes left more than it pushes right.    

Yes, everything does have doubt surrounding it and sometimes (especially where articles of faith are concerned) whether the evidence pushes left or right (or even not at all), does not detract from the believer's sense of truth on the matter in question.

I characterise this species of conviction as 'the art of being certain', requiring the acceptance that doubt is ubiquitous and indestructible, yet believing anyway, without that faith being belligerent and blind.

These convictions, like most others, are usually not up for debate, nor open to scientific inquiry (and nor are they defended by irrational argument) and yet still impart a truth value to the believer. A fortuitous paradox, if you like, that resonates deep into the human psyche because its utility is innate and universal.

Soren's "Juliet's Balcony" (I assume its original) is an excellent example of this : "There is a Juliet balcony in Verona that tourists like to look at. We all know it's not actually the balcony but we do go and visit it (I know I did) because it lets us think of the truth of the drama more concretely. Like a relic or an icon, it fixes the mind on the contemplation of the truths of the drama."

"Doubting in this context is trivial because it distracts from the truth of the drama."

Yes, doubt is ubiquitous and indestructible plaguing every conviction, yet, like the 'reality' of imaginary numbers, it's dubiety can be set aside - we can suspend our incredulity - in order to apprehend a greater truth.

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