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Syria and the NextGen Jihadis
Apr 1^st, 2014 at 2:44pm

Remember how the Bin Laden mob grew out of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the Bosnian war.
Young muslim fighters were drawn together in these conflicts, learned all the arts of modern weapons and explosives and went on to launch attacks on western targets.

The same thing is happening in Syria. Young fighters have been drawn from many countries, including Australia, the US and Europe as well as the middle east generally.
They are not all fighting with the jihadi groups but many of them are. It's like history repeating itself.
When they come home, if they come home, they will be battle-hardened, will have formed networks around the world and will look for other ways to amuse themselves . . .including probably terrorist attacks on the west again.
It's as sure as day follows night.

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Reply #1 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 12:42am

I see a clear difference between the legitimate aspirations of many Muslims/Arabs for some degree of personal security in life and from their own governments - and extremism.

The 'Arab Spring' which I am reading about - developed out of the legitimate demand for jobs, security, and freedom from an oppressive and repressive government in Tunisia, and spread from there Eastward.

I draw a very clear distinction between such legitimate aspirations and the oft-vilified Islamism, which may appear to superficially be a destabilising influence in many Arab/Muslim countries and a hostile monolith that will turn against the West.

I do not believe that Islamism is monolithic in its makeup, I believe it is a much-needed wake-up call for many Muslim countries and I further believe that only a very minor percentage of its adherents will take up jihad against the West.

Interestingly the issues that lead to the Arab Spring are present right here and now and are developing exponentially by the day - jobs, income stability, security in life and for family, and the hopelessness of the young in many cases.

Perhaps we will soon see an Australian Spring.

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Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2014 at 8:40am

I can't count how many years I've been watching scenes like this from the lunatic asylum that is the Middle East.

It's been a 'Mad Max' scenario for decades that I can remember.

These are a people who seem incapable of behaving in a civilised fashion.

Just guns, and bombed-out buildings, and young men running around shouting "Allahu Akbar!" while firing guns.

link to Bedlam

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Syria and the NextGen Jihadis Reply #3 - Apr 10^th, 2014 at 5:57am Syria and the NextGen Jihadis Remember when George Brandis said we must send arms to the rebels in Syria, anything to stop Assad? Now he comes up with this brainstorm, 'the next generation Jihadis'.....it must have been a duh! moment for him. What is the penalty for aiding and abetting terrorist organisations?
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Reply #4 - Apr 10^th, 2014 at 3:15pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 12:42am:

I see a clear difference between the legitimate aspirations of many Muslims/Arabs for some degree of personal security in life and from their own governments - and extremism.

The 'Arab Spring' which I am reading about - developed out of the legitimate demand for jobs, security, and freedom from an oppressive and repressive government in Tunisia, and spread from there Eastward.

I draw a very clear distinction between such legitimate aspirations and the oft-vilified Islamism, which may appear to superficially be a destabilising influence in many Arab/Muslim countries and a hostile monolith that will turn against the West.

I do not believe that Islamism is monolithic in its makeup, I believe it is a much-needed wake-up call for many Muslim countries and I further believe that only a very minor percentage of its adherents will take up jihad against the West.

Interestingly the issues that lead to the Arab Spring are present right here and now and are developing exponentially by the day - jobs, income stability, security in life and for family, and the hopelessness of the young in many cases.

Perhaps we will soon see an Australian Spring.

Spring?

A blood soaked winter quagmire more like it.

Even Egypt will come out with a military dictator in charge.

Maniac Islam don't want spring, they want a caliphate.

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Reply #5 - Apr 13^th, 2014 at 9:25pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 8:40am:

I can't count how many years I've been watching scenes like this from the lunatic asylum that is the Middle East.

It's been a 'Mad Max' scenario for decades that I can remember.

These are a people who seem incapable of behaving in a civilised fashion.

Just guns, and bombed-out buildings, and young men running around shouting "Allahu Akbar!" while firing guns.

link to Bedlam

Much of the Middle East is going through a period of turmoil, violence and change as various groups struggle for power.

Their people want what all human beings desire: freedom, jobs, an income and hope for the future. A better life for their children.

The West should be very cautious how it reacts.

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Reply #6 - Apr 13^th, 2014 at 9:52pm

The Syrian regime is an evil oppressive dictatorship propped up by Russian backing.

Check out the Russian naval base - similar to that of Crimea - in Tartus:

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...Tartus is the last Russian military facility outside the former Soviet Union, and its only Mediterranean repair and replenishment spot, sparing Russia’s warships the trip back to their Black Sea bases through the Turkish Straits...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_naval_facility_in_Tartus

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Russia has been shipping large amounts of weapons to Bashar al-Assad, with one ship loaded with "dangerous cargo" notably having to stop in Cyprus due to stormy weather on 10 January 2012.[35] Russia's current contracts with Syria for arms are estimated to be worth 1.5 billion US dollars, comprising 10% of Russia's global arms sales.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia's_role_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Arms_Sales

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Reply #7 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 7:54am

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 13^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Much of the Middle East is going through a period of turmoil, violence and change as various groups struggle for power.

Their people want what all human beings desire: freedom, jobs, an income and hope for the future. A better life for their children.

Utter delusional nonsense. You really shouldn't soil yourself like this in public, Peter. It's not a good look.

What we saw in Egypt just recently is exactly how these Middle Eastern Islam-saturated nutters think.

They voted for an Islamic extremist to be elected into government, to link up with the Muslim Brotherhood ~ another extremist bunch of leftovers from the Middle Ages.

And then, when the military stepped in to winkle out this nutter Morsi from the government ~ all hell broke loose. Gunfire, murders, rapes, bedlam - as only Muslims know how to do these things to excess and with high-pitched hysteria.

We even saw some Mammon-worshipping hypocritical Muslim bitches here in Sydney marching in protest that this fascist Islamist Morsi had been forcibly removed from power by the Egyptian military who didn't want to see Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood sink Egypt into yet another Dark Age of Islamist dictatorship.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Syria and the NextGen Jihadis Reply #8 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 8:09am So the ME people don't want the things I mentioned and aren't fighting for them? Really? You surprise me. PS: just checked the undies. Clean as a whistle.
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Reply #9 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 8:29am

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 14^th, 2014 at 8:09am:

So the ME people don't want the things I mentioned and aren't fighting for them?

Really?

You surprise me.

PS: just checked the undies. Clean as a whistle.

The only ones doing the fighting are the religious nutters. Syria's Assad is a sweetheart compared to the sort of decapitating Muslim lunatics who are trying to install a strict form of Islamic theocracy there.

There were a reported 19 women raped in Cairo's Tahrir Square within 14 days as the crowds were going feral to have a strict version of Islamic rule installed in their government.

As a Jew you're a damned disgrace for playing the role of Human Shield for these psychotic imbeciles.

You must have banged your head one time too many at the Wailing Wall.

I'm disowning you as my protégé.

You are no longer under my patronage, and I'm cutting you loose as a hopeless renegade.

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Reply #10 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 9:42am

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 14^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

The only ones doing the fighting are the religious nutters.

You demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of reality.

There are about 1000 different rebel groups fighting in Syria - each with varying aims and goals.

They range from those who wish to create a pure Islamic state to those who want a secular state, with a vast spectrum of ideas in-between.

For example, the Popular Protection Units is a Kurdish ethnic group with an estimated 10,000-15,000 fighters and has it roots in the socialism.

The Durou al-Thawra Commission - popular in Hama and Idlib provinces wishes to establish a democratic government loosely based on Islamic values.

The National Unity Brigades is estimated to have 2000 fighters - many of whom are not Muslim.

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 14^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

There were a reported 19 women raped in Cairo's Tahrir Square within 14 days as
the crowds were going feral to have a strict version of Islamic rule installed in their government.

Another misrepresentation of the truth Herbert?

It is widely acknowledged that those who attacked protesters - including female protesters - were agents of the staunchly secular and anti-Islamic military.

Here are some of the reports regarding the actions of the US-funded secular anti-Islam military:

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Samira Ibrahim, ‘Virginity Test’ Victim, Fights Egypt’s Military Rule

Ibrahim said she believes the military specifically targeted women who defied them, and intended to break them emotionally. “When you break a woman, you break the entire society,” she says.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/19/samira-ibrahim-virginity-test-v...

U.S columnist sexually assaulted by Egyptian military police shows casts on both hands

Egypt: Military Impunity for Violence Against Women
Whitewash in Virginity Tests Trial

US-funded secular anti-Islam military attacks women in Egypt:

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Reply #11 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 10:25am

I am amazed at the number of people who think they know what the hell is going in the middle/muddle east without ever having lived there... even a visit would be somethi..

if the men at the TOP cannot solve it or as I reckon understand it.. then I am sure we never will.its always been a hive of unrest..its just getting more violent thats all...

and now we have the WMD...all over again... what sort of FAIR WAR is that?..and again the old mixed messages coming through...

nostradamus was right wasnt he..there will always be red skies over the middle east....

and now we have the Ukraine... Angry

grim grim grim... and for WHAT?

egos of megalomaniacs comes to mind.

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Reply #12 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 10:32am

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 14^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 14^th, 2014 at 8:09am:

So the ME people don't want the things I mentioned and aren't fighting for them?

Really?

You surprise me.

PS: just checked the undies. Clean as a whistle.

The only ones doing the fighting are the religious nutters. Syria's Assad is a sweetheart compared to the sort of decapitating Muslim lunatics who are trying to install a strict form of Islamic theocracy there.

There were a reported 19 women raped in Cairo's Tahrir Square within 14 days as the crowds were going feral to have a strict version of Islamic rule installed in their government.

As a Jew you're a damned disgrace for playing the role of Human Shield for these psychotic imbeciles.

You must have banged your head one time too many at the Wailing Wall.

I'm disowning you as my protégé.

You are no longer under my patronage, and I'm cutting you loose as a hopeless renegade.

When the f#ck was I your protege?

Who appointed me? You?

I am my own man with my own ideas. I've never been near the Wailing Wall.

My surname has been spelt in various ways down the centuries.

But its original meaning was:

Man of Peace

That says it all.

Thank you.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Syria and the NextGen Jihadis Reply #13 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 1:39pm Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 14^th, 2014 at 10:32am: That says it all. Thank you. Lord Almighty! ~ I was only joking. I apologise if you took me seriously.
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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Syria and the NextGen Jihadis Reply #14 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 9:48am Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 14^th, 2014 at 1:39pm: Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 14^th, 2014 at 10:32am: That says it all. Thank you. Lord Almighty! ~ I was only joking. I apologise if you took me seriously. Joking? So was I. No need for any apology. I stopped taking you seriously long, long ago.
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