Australian Politics Forum - It's time to reclaim Islam from the fanatics

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Re: It's time to reclaim Islam from the fanatics
Reply #120 - Apr 7^th, 2014 at 6:26am

0ktema wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 1:27am:

Pete Waldo wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 10:37pm:

0ktema wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:50pm:

Pete Waldo wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:52pm:

Though nobody has all the answers, nor a franchise on truth.

Without much doubt ... you would seem to have set up a fairly secure world for yourself - backed up by all your chosen scripture and literal interpretation there of.

It isn't me that set it up, but the one great God Yahweh through His 1600 year record to mankind, whose people have followed Him through two covenants over 3500 years.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/muhammad_islam_in_bible_prophecy.htm#the_con...

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

0ktema wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:50pm:

Personally I started to overcome Christian exclusivity at the ripe old age of 9.

Whether you intended it or not you are saying you overcame the Gospel.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Regarding "exclusivity", had you been, and remained, ignorant to the gospel, you may not have been held accountable:

Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

But if you had understood the Gospel, and then rejected it, that is a different matter:

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Did you even understand the nature of your claim? We all generally credit 9 year olds with possessing great wisdom don't we? How many years prior to your turning 9 did you spend in Bible study, apologetics, study of Biblical prophecy and archaeology and such?

What was it that caused you to desire to "overcome" Christianity? Was it fulfilled Bible prophecy that too clearly demonstrates the veracity of the Gospel record?

That passage was penned before crucifixion had even been invented. The details are confirmed as fulfilled by the New Testament witnesses.

Beyond any possible omissions and possible changes made (by the hand of man) over the history of the recorded Bible - Jesus is considered to be the only person who was one with God and therefore without fallibility. Everyone else even his disciples were not perfect and so whatever they communicate in the gospels indeed may not be totally infallible.

In my King James Bible, that which is printed in red (the actual record of Jesus spoken word) is what I give most regard.

To truly follow Jesus' example is a spiritual matter well beyond the mere quoting of scripture.

When Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” The "I am" he refers to is his very state, his oneness with God and his fullness of Spirit.

Indeed, and Amen. And there are many more instances that are obscured by "helper" words in the KJV, that aren't much help. Like this verse:

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

That "he" is added and does not exist in the Koine Greek. But would Jesus offering a simple declaration "I am he" cause a band of men and officers to fall to the ground? Or would "I AM", as in the Koine Greek.

0ktema wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 1:27am:

In other words, self transcendence or moving beyond the ego is the only way to truly know God.
This is true communion, true salvation and real faith. The making of room for the decent of the Holy Spirit.

The belief that one can be saved by the vicarious sacrifice of Jesus (himself) is convenient cop-out..

One cannot be saved without it once one understands it. But your point is made in the "doctrine of repentance" having conveniently been replaced by a "decision" in the pop-church.

0ktema wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 1:27am:

.......from the serious effort and practice of real self sacrifice or the moment by moment transcendence of the loveless activity that is the ego.

The essence of the story of Jesus life is - knowing his (God's) love and sharing it with all others.

Those that merely quote scripture an law in an effort to prove their superiority of knowledge, the veracity of their search or such, are simply playing the same game that the Pharisees tried to play with Jesus!

Jhn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

0ktema wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 1:27am:

Almost certainly what I have posted above will mean little to you, other than you assuming that I shall suffer eternal damnation if I do not repent - as you seem very convinced as to the truth of your apparent convictions and would seem to have invested a lot of time and effort developing them.
Que Sera, Sera Pete.

No, it's empty counter-scriptural words of apostate heretics like Shelby Spong that "mean little to me".