Soren wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:35pm:


It’s a good point. The question for Jesus, however, is how to cultivate and spread love. You need practice and discipline to do this. As a parent, you would understand this. Love requires a vessel.

Love requires wisdom.

People turn to different religions for different reasons. The Dali Lama says that doctors do not prescribe the same medicine for every illness, and nor does he tell people which religion - or not - to follow.  Each religion works differently, as it should.

Islam is not a political movement. Its social-political theory is there to support spiritual development.

People, however, forget this. Christians all too easily forget the law of love. People focus on the mundane laws. We struggle.

Spreading division and finding fault with others are a symptom of this struggle.

Allah Uakbar.

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You are lying Karnal.

You are trying to deceive, those who are naive, and those who are uninformed, ....about the nature of ISLAM.

You are misrepresenting the nature of ISLAM to us.





Why don't you declare yourself, K ?

You seem, and sound, like a moslem to me.

Dictionary;
dissimulate = = hide or disguise one’s thoughts or feelings.





Karnal wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:18pm:


^^^^^
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LIES, from K.




"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e.
Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.

And Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.

AS PER THIS KORAN VERSE;

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111






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, is;

"To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "....

"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger, and make not vain your deeds!
Those who reject Allah, and hinder (men) from the Path of Allah, then die rejecting Allah,- Allah will not forgive them.
Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost: for Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds."
Koran 47:33-35



HADITH....

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

n.b.




"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

Yadda wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 5:38pm:


Google Taqiyya.

Karnal wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 10:33pm:



Innit.

Karnal wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 5:44pm:


Do you live in the Middle East cradle of Islam, where folks get the religion? If so, which countries have you lived in and when?

Karnal wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 5:44pm:


So there's one important question you need to ask yourself. Who would the ultimate arbiters of Islam would be? Those who ignore what Muhammad commands of his followers through the Quran and Hadith?

Bukhari, V1 B2 #24 Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle.....
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

Those peaceful "hypocrite" people that you describe decide? Or those fundamental followers of Muhammad armed with a beheading knife in one hand, while supported by the Quran and Hadith in their other hand (as you have been shown through the many verses they observe), that disagree with them?
The same ones that have been increasingly on the rise around the world? Or those that don't have the stomach for imperialistic conquest?

Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #216 fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

"Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari" - Maktba Dar-us-Salam's page 580
Chapter 2. The best among the people is that believer who strives his utmost in Allah's Cause with both his life and property.
footnotes:
[1] "Al-Jihad (the holy fighting) in Allah's Cause (with full force of number and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of its pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah's Word is made superior, [His Word being La ilaha ill-Allah (which means: none has the right to be worshipped but Allah)] and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; there honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfill this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.
[2] Of course, nobody can offer Salat (prayer) and observe Saum (fast) incessantly, and since the Muslim fighter is rewarded as if he was doing such good impossible deeds, no possible deed equals Jihad in reward.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm#muslim_hypocrite...

The whole notion of the title of this thread is preposterous. "Reclaim Islam" from the faithful, true, fundamental followers of Muhammad, who do as Muhammad did and commanded his followers to do?

ON WHAT BASIS?

Muhammad's early Mecca drivel like "no compulsion in religion" that was abrogated by his later suras that call for violence against non-Muslims? Ya right.

Yadda wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 5:54pm:


Oh, Y. We’ve had this argument at least 5 times. You do your dying for Allah thing, and I retort with the being born again routine.

Rather ritualistic, wouldn’t you say?

Now now, Y. Old boy thinks Khristianity has something to do with "love".

Have you ever heard of anything so absurd?

Karnal wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 10:05pm:


If you think I am wrong on anything, please point it out. I realise you do your best to keep away from facts or anything specific, but you could at least point out what you disagree with.