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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #15 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 1:03pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:57am:

For SOB:
As I understand it, the transfers to the states for education and health have already been determined by agreement at COAG or special meetings. The coming budget is not likely to change that.

Now, can you tell me what welfare measures you would like to see changed.

I already told you - raise the dole and leave the pensioners alone

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26510 Australia	Re: Your budget wish list Reply #16 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 1:05pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 11:42am: 1. End Funding to private schools. 2. End funding to mining industry. Yeah. That too. Also funding to anything else we shouldnt be funding like private hospitals. SOB
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Your budget wish list Reply #17 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 1:06pm SOB, You originally said abolish all middle class welfare. I'm simply asking you to be specific. Maybe you agree with me on the ones I mentioned?
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Reply #18 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 3:30pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 1:06pm:

SOB,
You originally said abolish all middle class welfare.
I'm simply asking you to be specific. Maybe you agree with me on the ones I mentioned?

Nope i said wealthfare and you know what it is. Its all those policies (mostly started by howard) that give money to ppl that dont need it @ the expense of ppl that do.

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Reply #19 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 3:43pm

If a business, whether it be a school or other enterprise is PRIVATE... then it should be PRIVATE and not funded in any way by the PUBLIC.

The government can fund schooling of PUBLIC schools and all Australian students, but not PUBLIC schools... btw that is not my budget wish just a comment of Private Schooling.

All I have to do now is sit back and wait for those RW slurs from the progs... Roll Eyes

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Reply #20 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:04pm

Grendel wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 3:43pm:

If a business, whether it be a school or other enterprise is PRIVATE... then it should be PRIVATE and not funded in any way by the PUBLIC.

The government can fund schooling of PUBLIC schools and all Australian students, but not PUBLIC schools... btw that is not my budget wish just a comment of Private Schooling.

All I have to do now is sit back and wait for those RW slurs from the progs... Roll Eyes

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Your budget wish list Reply #21 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:13pm Raising the dole by $100 - $150/fortnight should be a number-one priority. In fact, it should be mandatory. The option not to should not exist. But they'll be ignored at best. And, more likely, punished and persecuted even more..
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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #22 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:18pm

Kat wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:13pm:

Raising the dole should be a number-one priority.

The option not to should not exist.

But they'll be ignored at best.

And, more likely, punished and persecuted even more..

Yes, but what about flying our hardworking parliamentarians to their weddings and races and sporting events?

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge, that's all I can say.

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Reply #23 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:37pm

Grendel wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 3:43pm:

If a business, whether it be a school or other enterprise is PRIVATE... then it should be PRIVATE and not funded in any way by the PUBLIC.

The government can fund schooling of PUBLIC schools and all Australian students, but not PUBLIC schools... btw that is not my budget wish just a comment of Private Schooling.

All I have to do now is sit back and wait for those RW slurs from the progs... Roll Eyes

the trouble is most of the pollies send their kids to private schools.... again we are not supposed to know that. a few at the top in the unions do as well... shhhhhhh

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Neferti Gold Member Offline Posts: 7965 Canberra Gender:	Re: Your budget wish list Reply #24 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:03pm .
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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #25 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:13pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:42am:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:13am:

Here's mine.

1. Abolish/ don't introduce all govt funded parental leave. They're your kids, look after them yourselves.
I realise this entails breaking an election policy but we all make mistakes.
2. Abolish child care rebates for family incomes above say $70,000. They're your kids, look after them yourselves.
3. Abolish family "tax" payments for family incomes above say $70,000. Government should only be there to top up income for the needy.
4. Significantly stiffen the income/assets test for age pension. If you have enough money to look after yourself, then do it.

We have had enough time now to see what happens to countries with welfare systems that are too generous. Govt should be there for the needy, not for those who just would like to have more.

There are probably more nasties I could add but that will do for now.

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1) Pay going rate of taxation on super earnings over 100K
2) Abolish neg gearing
3) Require proof for business car write offs
4) Bring in Land tax, 1 exemption of occupied dwelling
5) Increase company back to 33% or raise GST to 17.5% & include all exemptons

How is increasing all these taxes a 'wish list'?

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #26 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:16pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:51am:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:42am:

I thought you had more sense, your ladyship, to follow on with his suggestions which at the very least need some modification.
Added to what I said in response to SOB, the feds don't technically supply education either. It's a state matter.

They can give the states money for education and health. Also they can make policies that make education and health more accessible to poor ppl.

SOB

Health and education are already free.

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #27 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:19pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 3:30pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 1:06pm:

SOB,
You originally said abolish all middle class welfare.
I'm simply asking you to be specific. Maybe you agree with me on the ones I mentioned?

Nope i said wealthfare and you know what it is. Its all those policies (mostly started by howard) that give money to ppl that dont need it @ the expense of ppl that do.

SOB

Would I be right in guessing that that really means anything YOU don't get?

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Reply #28 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:20pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

alevine,
Funding to private schools should be looked at as a return on the education component of tax, which the parents have already paid. Surely all parents are entitled to some return for that part of the tax dollar.
If you're going to say in response, let all the kids go to public schools, you're really making an idealogical argument.
Apart from that, there are not enough public schools to cope.
The same arguments can be put for the private health rebate.

As to mining, what handouts do you have in mind? You are surely not talking about the depreciation allowances on plant, to which all businesses are entitled as an operating cost.

Actually this has nothing to do with wanting all kids to go to public. But simply that the proposal to fund pirate schools was on the basis that it would reduce private school fees and give access to more disadvantaged kids. Yet, study after study has shown this to have been a miserable failure and 70% of under privileged kids still, like before, go to public schooling.

So, given the result aimed at was not achieved, the only appropriate course of action is to stop the program, ie the funding. And the very idea you think people should get something for their tax dollar, well bad luck. You get the services the government funds. But if you want to use a private service, you are welcome to do that but should not expect this to somehow be funded by the government.

As for funding to mining companies, I mean these
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-25/nrn-dist-mining-subsidies/4778042

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #29 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm

The unemployed always want more dole money, rather than get a J*O*B*. They are so traumatised that they actually think they can get a NEW job at the same level and income that they left/got made redundant at.

The thing is to GET A BLOODY JOB .... anything, volunteering at the local Op Shop .... DO SOMETHING. Mow lawns for cash, weed gardens, etcetera. Then, when you have a bit of cash in your pocket, apply for every job you can. Add the fact that you are volunteering or lawn mowing, etc as that indicates that you are a "self starter"and willing to W*O*R*K* and not a slug.

EVENTUALLY you will strike it rich. The people who whine about "wanting more money on the dole" are the UNEMPLOYABLE riff raff.

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