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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #30 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:29pm

cods wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:54am:

I always say what they give on the roundabout they take back on the swings....

so I will ask for

BETTER VALUE FOR MY TAX DOLLAR...

my greatest whinge is the gold passes they all get when they leave get the sack whatever... it should go.. once and for all..

along with all the overseas travel they feel they are entitled too..

So cods is concerned about a few mill out of a 300odd billion dollar budget.

Ok. I expect you will stop crying about debt and deficit then?

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #31 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:31pm

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm:

The unemployed always want more dole money, rather than get a J*O*B*. They are so traumatised that they actually think they can get a NEW job at the same level and income that they left/got made redundant at.

The thing is to GET A BLOODY JOB .... anything, volunteering at the local Op Shop .... DO SOMETHING. Mow lawns for cash, weed gardens, etcetera. Then, when you have a bit of cash in your pocket, apply for every job you can. Add the fact that you are volunteering or lawn mowing, etc as that indicates that you are a "self starter"and willing to W*O*R*K* and not a slug.

EVENTUALLY you will strike it rich. The people who whine about "wanting more money on the dole" are the UNEMPLOYABLE riff raff.

Id agree with you if we are talking about the minority of those who actually are "dole bludger". But for those who have temporarily fallen on tough times, don't you think it's important to support them in today's economic climate, and not with a fortnightly amount from the early 2000s?

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #32 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:40pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm:

The unemployed always want more dole money, rather than get a J*O*B*. They are so traumatised that they actually think they can get a NEW job at the same level and income that they left/got made redundant at.

The thing is to GET A BLOODY JOB .... anything, volunteering at the local Op Shop .... DO SOMETHING. Mow lawns for cash, weed gardens, etcetera. Then, when you have a bit of cash in your pocket, apply for every job you can. Add the fact that you are volunteering or lawn mowing, etc as that indicates that you are a "self starter"and willing to W*O*R*K* and not a slug.

EVENTUALLY you will strike it rich. The people who whine about "wanting more money on the dole" are the UNEMPLOYABLE riff raff.

Id agree with you if we are talking about the minority of those who actually are "dole bludger". But for those who have temporarily fallen on tough times, don't you think it's important to support them in today's economic climate, and not with a fortnightly amount from the early 2000s?

UNEMPLOYED = unemployable. Sad but true.

If you find yourself out of work due to no fault of your own, go and DO SOMETHING to prove you still want to get up and go "out" in the morning. IF you get an interview for what you are qualified for and state that you have been spending ALL your time putting in applications (and still not getting placed) the Interviewers will think YOU are at fault. Tell them that you are "between jobs" but working at the local Charity Shop, collecting trolleys from the local supermarket, or sweeping floors .... anything and they will think that you are a SELF STARTER, not a drain on society.

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #33 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:41pm

Bread and Butter wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:19pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 3:30pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 1:06pm:

SOB,
You originally said abolish all middle class welfare.
I'm simply asking you to be specific. Maybe you agree with me on the ones I mentioned?

Nope i said wealthfare and you know what it is. Its all those policies (mostly started by howard) that give money to ppl that dont need it @ the expense of ppl that do.

SOB

Would I be right in guessing that that really means anything YOU don't get?

Almost certainly not.

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #34 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:42pm

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:40pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm:

The unemployed always want more dole money, rather than get a J*O*B*. They are so traumatised that they actually think they can get a NEW job at the same level and income that they left/got made redundant at.

The thing is to GET A BLOODY JOB .... anything, volunteering at the local Op Shop .... DO SOMETHING. Mow lawns for cash, weed gardens, etcetera. Then, when you have a bit of cash in your pocket, apply for every job you can. Add the fact that you are volunteering or lawn mowing, etc as that indicates that you are a "self starter"and willing to W*O*R*K* and not a slug.

EVENTUALLY you will strike it rich. The people who whine about "wanting more money on the dole" are the UNEMPLOYABLE riff raff.

Id agree with you if we are talking about the minority of those who actually are "dole bludger". But for those who have temporarily fallen on tough times, don't you think it's important to support them in today's economic climate, and not with a fortnightly amount from the early 2000s?

UNEMPLOYED = unemployable. Sad but true.

If you find yourself out of work due to no fault of your own, go and DO SOMETHING to prove you still want to get up and go "out" in the morning. IF you get an interview for what you are qualified for and state that you have been spending ALL your time putting in applications (and still not getting placed) the Interviewers will think YOU are at fault. Tell them that you are "between jobs" but working at the local Charity Shop, collecting trolleys from the local supermarket, or sweeping floors .... anything and they will think that you are a SELF STARTER, not a drain on society.

NOTHING you have to say on this subject has any credibility whatsoever, after that little outburst of bullsh1t.

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #35 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:45pm

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:40pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm:

The unemployed always want more dole money, rather than get a J*O*B*. They are so traumatised that they actually think they can get a NEW job at the same level and income that they left/got made redundant at.

The thing is to GET A BLOODY JOB .... anything, volunteering at the local Op Shop .... DO SOMETHING. Mow lawns for cash, weed gardens, etcetera. Then, when you have a bit of cash in your pocket, apply for every job you can. Add the fact that you are volunteering or lawn mowing, etc as that indicates that you are a "self starter"and willing to W*O*R*K* and not a slug.

EVENTUALLY you will strike it rich. The people who whine about "wanting more money on the dole" are the UNEMPLOYABLE riff raff.

Id agree with you if we are talking about the minority of those who actually are "dole bludger". But for those who have temporarily fallen on tough times, don't you think it's important to support them in today's economic climate, and not with a fortnightly amount from the early 2000s?

UNEMPLOYED = unemployable. Sad but true.

If you find yourself out of work due to no fault of your own, go and DO SOMETHING to prove you still want to get up and go "out" in the morning. IF you get an interview for what you are qualified for and state that you have been spending ALL your time putting in applications (and still not getting placed) the Interviewers will think YOU are at fault. Tell them that you are "between jobs" but working at the local Charity Shop, collecting trolleys from the local supermarket, or sweeping floors .... anything and they will think that you are a SELF STARTER, not a drain on society.

You seem to have a very warped view of why unemployed means.

Go look at stats for long term unemployed vs unemployed then come back to us.

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #36 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:48pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:29pm:

cods wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:54am:

I always say what they give on the roundabout they take back on the swings....

so I will ask for

BETTER VALUE FOR MY TAX DOLLAR...

my greatest whinge is the gold passes they all get when they leave get the sack whatever... it should go.. once and for all..

along with all the overseas travel they feel they are entitled too..

So cods is concerned about a few mill out of a 300odd billion dollar budget.

Ok. I expect you will stop crying about debt and deficit then?

really... at least it would be a start... so far all I hear is what they can take away from the tax payers... or charge the tax payers...

as per usual you think a few millions dollars isnt worth the trouble OF COURSE..

even a few bill aint worth the trouble either..looking at the waste with BER.. which all lefties seem to think was value for money.. Roll Eyes

I just happen to think the pollies SHOULD LEAD THE WAY>..

I guess you dont..

maybe because there are more lefties with their snouts in the trough than righties.

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #37 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:53pm

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm:

The unemployed always want more dole money, rather than get a J*O*B*. They are so traumatised that they actually think they can get a NEW job at the same level and income that they left/got made redundant at.

The thing is to GET A BLOODY JOB .... anything, volunteering at the local Op Shop .... DO SOMETHING. Mow lawns for cash, weed gardens, etcetera. Then, when you have a bit of cash in your pocket, apply for every job you can. Add the fact that you are volunteering or lawn mowing, etc as that indicates that you are a "self starter"and willing to W*O*R*K* and not a slug.

EVENTUALLY you will strike it rich. The people who whine about "wanting more money on the dole" are the UNEMPLOYABLE riff raff.

You, son, are a terminal fracking idiot with no fracking idea at ALL!

You're a biased, ignorant frack-wit.

I've almost certainly worked harder and for longer than you EVER will.

And I will STILL stand up for a fair deal for the unemployed, despite you assholes.

And no, I don't care if I get a suspension, but the point and sentiment remains.

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #38 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:57pm

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm:

The unemployed always want more dole money, rather than get a J*O*B*. They are so traumatised that they actually think they can get a NEW job at the same level and income that they left/got made redundant at.

The thing is to GET A BLOODY JOB .... anything, volunteering at the local Op Shop .... DO SOMETHING. Mow lawns for cash, weed gardens, etcetera. Then, when you have a bit of cash in your pocket, apply for every job you can. Add the fact that you are volunteering or lawn mowing, etc as that indicates that you are a "self starter"and willing to W*O*R*K* and not a slug.

EVENTUALLY you will strike it rich. The people who whine about "wanting more money on the dole" are the UNEMPLOYABLE riff raff.

things are getting tougher nef....and the jobs like picking up the rubbish in the gutter is now a SKILLED JOB..the unions have stopped all those people from doing jobs... that onc e upon a time no one wanted...

so it isnt so easy to walk into a place and say can I sweep the floor..also casual work has become very prevalent..and casual is not what people want they want security.

there are of course dodgers out there...but I dont agree we judge them all the same.. because that just isnt true..

if they do have to work for the dole.. that will of course sort the men from the boys.. I remember clearing tables in Joe Lyons Corner House.. it was a terrible job but if you wanted the money you did it..

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Reply #39 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:58pm

cods wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:29pm:

cods wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:54am:

I always say what they give on the roundabout they take back on the swings....

so I will ask for

BETTER VALUE FOR MY TAX DOLLAR...

my greatest whinge is the gold passes they all get when they leave get the sack whatever... it should go.. once and for all..

along with all the overseas travel they feel they are entitled too..

So cods is concerned about a few mill out of a 300odd billion dollar budget.

Ok. I expect you will stop crying about debt and deficit then?

really... at least it would be a start... so far all I hear is what they can take away from the tax payers... or charge the tax payers...

as per usual you think a few millions dollars isnt worth the trouble OF COURSE..

even a few bill aint worth the trouble either..looking at the waste with BER.. which all lefties seem to think was value for money.. Roll Eyes

I just happen to think the pollies SHOULD LEAD THE WAY>..

I guess you dont..

maybe because there are more lefties with their snouts in the trough than righties.

Actually the reason I think pollies should get some perks is because despite my dislike of many of them, they work pretty hard. Who gets the gold card? Tony will, and any mp who's done long service to parliament. Don't you think a PM, a person working probably 20hrs a day 7 days a week, plus any member who the public keeps reelecting, deserve some perk?

And anyway, I thought boges was asking for some serious contributions with some depth, not just a pet hate you misunderstand.

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #40 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 6:02pm

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:40pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:31pm:

Neferti wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:23pm:

The unemployed always want more dole money, rather than get a J*O*B*. They are so traumatised that they actually think they can get a NEW job at the same level and income that they left/got made redundant at.

The thing is to GET A BLOODY JOB .... anything, volunteering at the local Op Shop .... DO SOMETHING. Mow lawns for cash, weed gardens, etcetera. Then, when you have a bit of cash in your pocket, apply for every job you can. Add the fact that you are volunteering or lawn mowing, etc as that indicates that you are a "self starter"and willing to W*O*R*K* and not a slug.

EVENTUALLY you will strike it rich. The people who whine about "wanting more money on the dole" are the UNEMPLOYABLE riff raff.

Id agree with you if we are talking about the minority of those who actually are "dole bludger". But for those who have temporarily fallen on tough times, don't you think it's important to support them in today's economic climate, and not with a fortnightly amount from the early 2000s?

UNEMPLOYED = unemployable. Sad but true.

If you find yourself out of work due to no fault of your own, go and DO SOMETHING to prove you still want to get up and go "out" in the morning. IF you get an interview for what you are qualified for and state that you have been spending ALL your time putting in applications (and still not getting placed) the Interviewers will think YOU are at fault. Tell them that you are "between jobs" but working at the local Charity Shop, collecting trolleys from the local supermarket, or sweeping floors .... anything and they will think that you are a SELF STARTER, not a drain on society.

All of that is just bullshyt Nef. Most of the unemployed want work, most aren't bludgers. When I got turfed due to global restructuring, I took a part time job loading and unloading trucks, cleaning floors, stacking shelves etc etc, etc... didn't help me get a job one little bit. In fact adding it to your cv just confuses people, mainly the HR juniors who refuse to employ anyone over 50.
You can't live on newstart, part time work means your newstart gets cut, you can't live on part time wages either, unless you own your car and house, then you might just get by if you are healthy and don't eat much. Roll Eyes

if you are lucky you might survive till the pension cuts in or if your health deteriorates (and it will) you might get the DSP.

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Reply #41 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 6:03pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:58pm:

cods wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:48pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:29pm:

cods wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 9:54am:

I always say what they give on the roundabout they take back on the swings....

so I will ask for

BETTER VALUE FOR MY TAX DOLLAR...

my greatest whinge is the gold passes they all get when they leave get the sack whatever... it should go.. once and for all..

along with all the overseas travel they feel they are entitled too..

So cods is concerned about a few mill out of a 300odd billion dollar budget.

Ok. I expect you will stop crying about debt and deficit then?

really... at least it would be a start... so far all I hear is what they can take away from the tax payers... or charge the tax payers...

as per usual you think a few millions dollars isnt worth the trouble OF COURSE..

even a few bill aint worth the trouble either..looking at the waste with BER.. which all lefties seem to think was value for money.. Roll Eyes

I just happen to think the pollies SHOULD LEAD THE WAY>..

I guess you dont..

maybe because there are more lefties with their snouts in the trough than righties.

Actually the reason I think pollies should get some perks is because despite my dislike of many of them, they work pretty hard. Who gets the gold card? Tony will, and any mp who's done long service to parliament. Don't you think a PM, a person working probably 20hrs a day 7 days a week, plus any member who the public keeps reelecting, deserve some perk?

And anyway, I thought boges was asking for some serious contributions with some depth, not just a pet hate you misunderstand.

OK. now youve had your pet hate call for the day... byeeeeeeeee

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Reply #43 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:40pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 5:20pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

alevine,
Funding to private schools should be looked at as a return on the education component of tax, which the parents have already paid. Surely all parents are entitled to some return for that part of the tax dollar.
If you're going to say in response, let all the kids go to public schools, you're really making an idealogical argument.
Apart from that, there are not enough public schools to cope.
The same arguments can be put for the private health rebate.

As to mining, what handouts do you have in mind? You are surely not talking about the depreciation allowances on plant, to which all businesses are entitled as an operating cost.

Actually this has nothing to do with wanting all kids to go to public. But simply that the proposal to fund pirate schools was on the basis that it would reduce private school fees and give access to more disadvantaged kids. Yet, study after study has shown this to have been a miserable failure and 70% of under privileged kids still, like before, go to public schooling.

So, given the result aimed at was not achieved, the only appropriate course of action is to stop the program, ie the funding. And the very idea you think people should get something for their tax dollar, well bad luck. You get the services the government funds. But if you want to use a private service, you are welcome to do that but should not expect this to somehow be funded by the government.

As for funding to mining companies, I mean these
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-25/nrn-dist-mining-subsidies/4778042

These so-called 'disadvantaged' kids will never go to private schools and no amount of changes will ever do that. These are the lazy sods that get newspaper articles written about them complaining they have to pay $23 A YEAR for stationery at a public school 'that is supposed to be free'.

How could anyone ever make private school accessible to them?

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Re: Your budget wish list
Reply #44 - Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 7:46pm

Abolish negative gearing
Abolish health insurance rebate
All superannuation contributions to be taxed at a rate that is 15% below top marginal tax rate for that taxpayer. Anyone that makes superannuation contributions but does not earn enough to pay tax gets a government-funded 15% co-contribution.
Tax-free threshold raised to $30,000. Next tax bracket is 30%.
Index income tax brackets to CPI.
Raise unemployment benefits by $50 per week.
Index all income support payments using the same method as the aged pension.
Abolish diesel fuel subsidy
Increase PPL to 26 weeks but do not raise the payment rate.
Increase funding for child care.
Restore parenting payment for parents with youngest children aged from 8 to 15.
Pay subsidies to employers who employ anyone who is long-term unemployed.
Abolish concessional rate of capital gains tax.
Abolish stamp duty on property transfers except for the cost of processing the property transfer.
Introduce annual land tax for all properties except land under primary production, such that it raises the same
amount of money overall as the abolished stamp duty.
Reduce payroll tax.

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