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Reply #15 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:21am

Swagman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 10:55am:

____ wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:21am:

So when can we expect L Plater Abbott to grow up and do the job he was voted to do

so far

No infrastructure
No job creation
No plans for increasing revenue

The abbott government is chaotic, illogical and destructive via it's inaction in important reform.

On current inaction Abbott does not deserve another term.

So why are the rusted on righties still backing this pathetic government?

Six months with an obsolete Senate dishonouring electoral mandates. When we get rid of this current mob of pathetic 'unrepresentitive swill' and can then repeal the taxathon and anti-enterprise policies of the previous inept Govt things will inevitably start to improve.

Until this happens you'll just have to continue hugging trees, sucking on your latte, smoking your bong or swilling your chardonnay whilst waiting for your latest Govt handout....

So removing revenue is abbott's only agenda?

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Reply #16 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:22am

Swagman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 10:55am:

____ wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:21am:

So when can we expect L Plater Abbott to grow up and do the job he was voted to do

so far

No infrastructure
No job creation
No plans for increasing revenue

The abbott government is chaotic, illogical and destructive via it's inaction in important reform.

On current inaction Abbott does not deserve another term.

So why are the rusted on righties still backing this pathetic government?

Six months with an obsolete Senate dishonouring electoral mandates.

The Coalition have been voting against mandated policies since there's been a Coalition, and Abbott never respected Labor's mandate for a GST since he became leader in 2009 - he BECAME leader of the Liberals specifically so the Liberals could dishonour a mandate.

So the ALP vote against a Coalition policy (what little policy there is), and suddenly it's a bad thing? Liberal party hypocrisy is really coming out in even greater quantities than usual today.

Mandates are a fiction, the Senate is free to vote how it wants. The Abbott-led Liberals could vote against the ETS in 2009 and 2010 because of this - and for the exact same reason (a concept that conservatives can never understand) the current Senate can do exactly the same if it wants.

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Re: Abbott Does NOT Deserve Another Term
Reply #17 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:37am

Bam wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:22am:

and Abbott never respected Labor's mandate for a GST since he became leader in 2009

Labor want a GST now? Grin

Bam wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:22am:

Mandates are a fiction, the Senate is free to vote how it wants.

Yeah yeah, they don't exist they just follow the crowd at chow time huh? Grin

The repeal of workchoices was not opposed. The Coalition recognised the electoral mandate Labor had. They didn't have to, but they knew it was politically unwise not to.

The unique situation that the voters of WA have though is judging the Labor party's failure to honour the Coalition's mandate. Will they punish Labor? Huh

This situation where it takes 8 months to get rid of 1/2 of the obsolete senate is bizzare.

It basically takes away 16% of the Representative Government's term in office. It has to change.

One Senator elected with a paltry percentage of the vote can entirely hold up the governance of the nation by the House of Reps......it's 'Montypythonish'.... Smiley

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Abbott Does NOT Deserve Another Term Reply #18 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:44am Swagman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:37am: The Coalition recognised the electoral mandate Labor had. They didn't have to, but they knew it was politically unwise not to. So they have a "mandate" but they "didn't have to" You do realise it can't be both hint, it's the second one
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Reply #19 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 12:03pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:37am:

Bam wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:22am:

and Abbott never respected Labor's mandate for a GST since he became leader in 2009

Labor want a GST now? Grin

I accept your concession of this argument.

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Bam wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:22am:

Mandates are a fiction, the Senate is free to vote how it wants.

Yeah yeah, they don't exist they just follow the crowd at chow time huh? Grin

The repeal of workchoices was not opposed. The Coalition recognised the electoral mandate Labor had. They didn't have to, but they knew it was politically unwise not to.

With Labor well ahead in the polls at the time, any attempt to oppose the repeal of the deeply unpopular Workchoices would have been met with two Senate rejections, getting hammered at a DD election (that would have seen up to half a dozen fewer Coalition Senators) and then a joint sitting of parliament to repeal it anyway.

With Abbott trailing in the opinion polls, the DD option is not realistic. If Abbott demands that his mandate be respected, the ALP and the others can laugh at him.

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The unique situation that the voters of WA have though is judging the Labor party's failure to honour the Coalition's mandate. Will they punish Labor? Huh

Not likely, given that the polls are pointing to a 5% swing TO Labor and Labor gaining a Senate seat.

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This situation where it takes 8 months to get rid of 1/2 of the obsolete senate is bizzare.

It basically takes away 16% of the Representative Government's term in office. It has to change.

This happened because Howard called an early election in 1998. We've been stuck ever since with a situation where there's only been a few available dates for the election to avoid the House and Senate getting out of step. The only way this will be fixed will be a DD at some time in the future.

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One Senator elected with a paltry percentage of the vote can entirely hold up the governance of the nation by the House of Reps......it's 'Montypythonish'.... Smiley

You won't find much disagreement here. Number as many boxes above the line as we want, and it should be a valid vote if at least six candidates are chosen. No more group tickets.

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Re: Abbott Does NOT Deserve Another Term
Reply #20 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 12:30pm

Stratos wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:44am:

Swagman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:37am:

The Coalition recognised the electoral mandate Labor had. They didn't have to, but they knew it was politically unwise not to.

So they have a "mandate" but they "didn't have to"

You do realise it can't be both

hint, it's the second one

You do realise that it can...

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Abbott Does NOT Deserve Another Term Reply #21 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 12:48pm Swagman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 12:30pm: You do realise that it can... Oh do go on. We have a process in place for the people to decide on a particular policy, and it's called a referendum. There is no such thing as a mandate in Australian politics, and never has been
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Re: Abbott Does NOT Deserve Another Term
Reply #22 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:40pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 10:05am:

____ wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:30am:

At least the Greens labor government was a highly successful and productive government.

HAHAHAHA

Laugh all you want, all it proves is that you have a simplistic understanding of politics. By any measure, the last government was one of the most productive. I know I know, thats not what you believe, but its the truth, no matter what the media tells you. The NBN, the BER, the NDIS, the price on carbon, along with more bills passed than nearly any other government.

You are wrong. Dont be wrong.

History will tell that Gillard was one of the better PMs we have ever had, any any PM in histpory would love her resume of deeds. Whats Howards legacy? What nation building exercises did he partake? Sure there was the gun buy back, which I support 100%. Other than that, what? Gillard had 4 signature policies that any other PM would be glad to have just 1 of.

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Re: Abbott Does NOT Deserve Another Term
Reply #23 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:49pm

donincognito wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 10:05am:

____ wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:30am:

At least the Greens labor government was a highly successful and productive government.

HAHAHAHA

Laugh all you want, all it proves is that you have a simplistic understanding of politics. By any measure, the last government was one of the most productive. I know I know, thats not what you believe, but its the truth, no matter what the media tells you. The NBN, the BER, the NDIS, the price on carbon, along with more bills passed than nearly any other government.

You are wrong. Dont be wrong.

History will tell that Gillard was one of the better PMs we have ever had, any any PM in histpory would love her resume of deeds. Whats Howards legacy? What nation building exercises did he partake? Sure there was the gun buy back, which I support 100%. Other than that, what? Gillard had 4 signature policies that any other PM would be glad to have just 1 of.

istory will tell that Gillard was one of the better PMs we have ever had, any any PM in histpory would love her resume of deeds. Whats Howards legacy? What nation building exercises did he partake? Sure there was the gun buy back, which I support 100%. Other than that, what? Gillard had 4 signature policies that any other PM would be glad to have just 1 of.
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Re: Abbott Does NOT Deserve Another Term
Reply #24 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:52pm

Bam wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 10:12am:

Frances wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:48am:

Labor could have been more successful without the help of the Greens....

Without the Greens' intransigence, an ETS would have been in place linked to world prices for permits, which are currently less than $10/tonne.

The Greens blocked an ETS in 2009. The Greens demanded a carbon tax in 2010. Without this sabotage from the Greens, the ALP would still be in office today.

By asking for too much, the Greens are going to get nothing. A lesson that Abbott will be learning too.

There was/is a lot more wrong with the ALP than just their Carbon policies.
Or have you forgotten?

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Reply #25 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:03pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 11:18am:

This government is a failure and doesn't deserve another term.

Rubbish... for starters it succeeded in 6 months to do what Labor undid and couldn't redo in 6 years.

Question is: Would a Labor-led coalition be any better?

Who knows?

We do... we just had one... it was a disaster, that's why we got rid of it.

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Reply #26 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:05pm

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The Coalition have been voting against mandated policies since there's been a Coalition, and Abbott never respected Labor's mandate for a GST since he became leader in 2009 - he BECAME leader of the Liberals specifically so the Liberals could dishonour a mandate.

More rubbish... the 2007 election was about Workchoices... the Coalition allowed Labor to have their way on it.
BTW Howard brought in the GST and took it to the people.

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Reply #27 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:50pm

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:05pm:

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The Coalition have been voting against mandated policies since there's been a Coalition, and Abbott never respected Labor's mandate for a GST since he became leader in 2009 - he BECAME leader of the Liberals specifically so the Liberals could dishonour a mandate.

More rubbish... the 2007 election was about Workchoices... the Coalition allowed Labor to have their way on it.
BTW Howard brought in the GST and took it to the people.

Silly typo on my part. I meant to say ETS here. I had been discussing the GST in another thread.

Asserting that the 2007 was about Workchoices is simplistic. Labor had other policies as well, including the ETS. For Abbott to instruct the Liberals to vote against the ETS in 2009 not only went against Labor's mandate, but HIS OWN PARTY'S mandate as well. Not following the policies of other parties is understandable, but going against a policy that his own party took to an election is another matter.

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Reply #28 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:10pm

Bam wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:05pm:

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The Coalition have been voting against mandated policies since there's been a Coalition, and Abbott never respected Labor's mandate for a GST since he became leader in 2009 - he BECAME leader of the Liberals specifically so the Liberals could dishonour a mandate.

More rubbish... the 2007 election was about Workchoices... the Coalition allowed Labor to have their way on it.
BTW Howard brought in the GST and took it to the people.

Silly typo on my part. I meant to say ETS here. I had been discussing the GST in another thread.

Asserting that the 2007 was about Workchoices is simplistic.

Not really... it was THE major concern/issue... led the ads and was the major topic on many fronts Unions and various groups had it as their major issue.

Labor had other policies as well, including the ETS.

Which wasn't an issue between the major parties because they were both running and ETS ticket.

For Abbott to instruct the Liberals to vote against the ETS in 2009 not only went against Labor's mandate, but HIS OWN PARTY'S mandate as well. Not following the policies of other parties is understandable, but going against a policy that his own party took to an election is another matter.

Claiming a mandate is stupid... only a pleb really gives you a mandate. But in terms of an election mandate... usually 1 policy is the major issue and that IMO is the mandated policy for the election... in 2007 it was WORKCHOICES and the Coalition honoured that mandate. In fact they divorced themselves from that policy and identified it as the main issue and the issue that lost them the election it was the defining difference between the parties... hence they acknowledged labor had a mandate to get rid of it.

I think you will find that not all in the Libs was happy with an ETS, Howard admitted he brought it in because he wanted to neutralise the difference, not because he agreed with it, he was faced with a perfect storm on it... and hence later Turnbull lost the Leadership.

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Reply #29 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:13pm

____ wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 9:30am:

At least the Greens labor government was a highly successful and productive government.

All Abbott is good at is bringing back titles and unsuccessfully searching for foreign planes with taxpayer's cash.

The L plater is in charge

And so ends any credibility he may have had

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