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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #15 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:29pm
 
Stratos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:20pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
You call a safe camp not at risk of being overrun by rebels


But apprently overrun by locals is OK, even one resulting in a murder?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
fresh running water,


half a liter of drinking water per person was stated in a recent report.  In a very hot climate.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
proper toilets


Again, broken toilets were not fixed

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
fresh food


Which you have to queue for three hours in the sun to get.

Luxury.

Find me one report into the facilities that praises their conditions.  Just one


TOILETS!   Did you see in the ABC footage how they had shyte on the toilet seat!  Stop complaining  Angry Angry
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Reply #16 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:31pm
 
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 12:39pm:
People returning voluntarily just shows what a farce the left are about them not being country shoppers



Perhaps they know it's only time until Abbott murders more in his concentration camps.
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Reply #17 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:35pm
 
Stratos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:20pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
You call a safe camp not at risk of being overrun by rebels


But apprently overrun by locals is OK, even one resulting in a murder?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
fresh running water,


half a liter of drinking water per person was stated in a recent report.  In a very hot climate.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
proper toilets


Again, broken toilets were not fixed

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
fresh food


Which you have to queue for three hours in the sun to get.

Luxury.

Find me one report into the facilities that praises their conditions.  Just one


How would you have a clue how long they queue to get food? I seriously doubt they'd wait three hours, otherwise they'd be queuing up for the next meal almost immediately after finishing the current one. See how absurd your limp argument is now?  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #18 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:36pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:31pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 12:39pm:
People returning voluntarily just shows what a farce the left are about them not being country shoppers



Perhaps they know it's only time until Abbott murders more in his concentration camps.


Ummm, the ALP set up Manus Island, not Abbott...
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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #19 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:40pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:31pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 12:39pm:
People returning voluntarily just shows what a farce the left are about them not being country shoppers



Perhaps they know it's only time until Abbott murders more in his concentration camps.


Ummm, the ALP set up Manus Island, not Abbott...




and who gives their preferences  to the ALP???..hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Reply #20 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:47pm
 
Stratos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:
Editing sources.  New levels of dodgy I see.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 12:42pm:
Yes, it makes a mockery of their claim that they're fleeing in fear for their lives. If so, they wouldn't return voluntarily no matter what!


The current "options" involve staying in a camp in horrendous conditions where someone was recently murdered, or being settled in a country where 75% of women are sexually abused and half of all women have been victims of rape.

Any of these are perfectly valid reasons to seek asylum, and does not demonstrate they didn't have genuine claims to asylum.

Aren't the majority of boat people men?  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:56pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:31pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 12:39pm:
People returning voluntarily just shows what a farce the left are about them not being country shoppers



Perhaps they know it's only time until Abbott murders more in his concentration camps.


Ummm, the ALP set up Manus Island, not Abbott...



It is Abbott's watch that he is murdering the refugees.

Part of abbott's plan is to make Australia worse than the regime these people are escaping.
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Reply #22 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:07pm
 
Stop posting libel everywhere...  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #23 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:08pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:35pm:
how long they queue to get food?


Take it up with where I got my information, the Amnesty international report on Manus Island.

Quote:
The dining facilities are too small for all detainees to sit at once; they queue for their meals,
sometimes for hours, in the blistering sun and the frequent downpours, with no protection
from the elements


Quote:
IHMS acknowledged that people may miss appointments due to long queues for meals,
meaning people have to make the choice to go to their appointment or to eat. Some people
have fainted from heat stroke in the meal line.


http://www.amnesty.org.au/images/uploads/about/Amnesty_International_Manus_Islan...

I apologise, it does not specifically say three hours, however, is does say hours.

Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Aren't the majority of boat people men?


I'm not sure on the data.  i'm assuming you are saying this to try and pretend it is safe for men in PNG, when this is not the case either (although it is much safer for men than women there)

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #24 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:17pm
 
Stratos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:08pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:35pm:
how long they queue to get food?


Take it up with where I got my information, the Amnesty international report on Manus Island.

Quote:
The dining facilities are too small for all detainees to sit at once; they queue for their meals,
sometimes for hours, in the blistering sun and the frequent downpours, with no protection
from the elements


Quote:
IHMS acknowledged that people may miss appointments due to long queues for meals,
meaning people have to make the choice to go to their appointment or to eat. Some people
have fainted from heat stroke in the meal line.


http://www.amnesty.org.au/images/uploads/about/Amnesty_International_Manus_Islan...

I apologise, it does not specifically say three hours, however, is does say hours.

Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Aren't the majority of boat people men?


I'm not sure on the data.  i'm assuming you are saying this to try and pretend it is safe for men in PNG, when this is not the case either (although it is much safer for men than women there)
No...  I'm saying it because of your claim about women and the countries they actually came from...  if this was genuine asylum seeking there would be lots more women and a lot less men.



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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #25 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:17pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:56pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:31pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 12:39pm:
People returning voluntarily just shows what a farce the left are about them not being country shoppers



Perhaps they know it's only time until Abbott murders more in his concentration camps.


Ummm, the ALP set up Manus Island, not Abbott...



It is Abbott's watch that he is murdering the refugees.

Part of abbott's plan is to make Australia worse than the regime these people are escaping.



No denying Abbott's success in that regard.
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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #26 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:25pm
 
Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:17pm:
Stratos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:08pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:35pm:
how long they queue to get food?


Take it up with where I got my information, the Amnesty international report on Manus Island.

Quote:
The dining facilities are too small for all detainees to sit at once; they queue for their meals,
sometimes for hours, in the blistering sun and the frequent downpours, with no protection
from the elements


Quote:
IHMS acknowledged that people may miss appointments due to long queues for meals,
meaning people have to make the choice to go to their appointment or to eat. Some people
have fainted from heat stroke in the meal line.


http://www.amnesty.org.au/images/uploads/about/Amnesty_International_Manus_Islan...

I apologise, it does not specifically say three hours, however, is does say hours.

Grendel wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:47pm:
Aren't the majority of boat people men?


I'm not sure on the data.  i'm assuming you are saying this to try and pretend it is safe for men in PNG, when this is not the case either (although it is much safer for men than women there)
No...  I'm saying it because of your claim about women and the countries they actually came from...  if this was genuine asylum seeking there would be lots more women and a lot less men.



When it rains, the camp smells strongly of sewage, particularly in Foxtrot Compound and near
the entrance to the detention centre. Some detainees expressed concern at not having shoes
or umbrellas, particularly when the weather is bad and it rains.
Water in Oscar Compound is now provided in 19-litre water cooler bottles located in the gym.
Two such bottles, nearly empty, stood on a table next to some plastic cups when we toured
the area. The coolers themselves had been removed.
We heard frequent complaints that the quantity of water provided in Oscar Compound was
insufficient. G4S and TSA staff reported delivering up to 12 water cooler bottles per day to
the compound, but some staff acknowledged that delays in replacing empty bottles were a
problem. A stock of new water bottles stood nearby on a palette in a fenced-off area behind
one of the buildings, but detainees do not have access to this area and said they were not
allowed to move the water bottles themselves.
In other compounds, drinking water is provided in individual 500ml bottles. Detainees in
those compounds appear to have no restrictions on the amount of water they have access to.
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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #27 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:26pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:17pm:
____ wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:56pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:36pm:
____ wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:31pm:
progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 12:39pm:
People returning voluntarily just shows what a farce the left are about them not being country shoppers



Perhaps they know it's only time until Abbott murders more in his concentration camps.


Ummm, the ALP set up Manus Island, not Abbott...



It is Abbott's watch that he is murdering the refugees.

Part of abbott's plan is to make Australia worse than the regime these people are escaping.



No denying Abbott's success in that regard.


Yep we are just like most crap hole ME countries now....or....your comment is retarded....

Huh

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Reply #28 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:27pm
 
Stratos wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:20pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
You call a safe camp not at risk of being overrun by rebels


But apprently overrun by locals is OK, even one resulting in a murder?

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
fresh running water,


half a liter of drinking water per person was stated in a recent report.  In a very hot climate.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
proper toilets


Again, broken toilets were not fixed

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:
fresh food


Which you have to queue for three hours in the sun to get.

Luxury.

Find me one report into the facilities that praises their conditions.  Just one

When it rains, the camp smells strongly of sewage, particularly in Foxtrot Compound and near
the entrance to the detention centre. Some detainees expressed concern at not having shoes
or umbrellas, particularly when the weather is bad and it rains.
Water in Oscar Compound is now provided in 19-litre water cooler bottles located in the gym.
Two such bottles, nearly empty, stood on a table next to some plastic cups when we toured
the area. The coolers themselves had been removed.
We heard frequent complaints that the quantity of water provided in Oscar Compound was
insufficient. G4S and TSA staff reported delivering up to 12 water cooler bottles per day to
the compound, but some staff acknowledged that delays in replacing empty bottles were a
problem. A stock of new water bottles stood nearby on a palette in a fenced-off area behind
one of the buildings, but detainees do not have access to this area and said they were not
allowed to move the water bottles themselves.
In other compounds, drinking water is provided in individual 500ml bottles. Detainees in
those compounds appear to have no restrictions on the amount of water they have access to.
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Reply #29 - Apr 3rd, 2014 at 2:30pm
 
ABC Fact Check has also examined monthly data of asylum seeker boat arrivals over the past five years




...




The data shows a clear peak in July 2013, when 4,236 asylum seekers arrived. The following month there were 1,585 arrivals - the lowest number in five months. That's a 60 per cent reduction, and in subsequent months the numbers continued to drop.

This data presents a more complete picture to Mr Morrison's claim, showing the boats began to slow dramatically soon after Mr Rudd's July 19 announcement, a trend which has continued.




The researchers say the comparison period of before and after Operation Sovereign Borders used by Mr Morrison misses the point, "because this trend began back in July and there is no sign that the election of the Abbott Coalition Government has had any impact on arrivals whatsoever".

They say over the past five years, there have been several changes in the trend of asylum seeker arrivals, the most recent change being in July 2013,
"but that there is no evidence of any further change in trend since the election"





http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-10/scott-morrison-not-telling-full-story-asyl...




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