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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #30 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:39pm

Stratos wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

how long they queue to get food?

Take it up with where I got my information, the Amnesty international report on Manus Island.

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The dining facilities are too small for all detainees to sit at once; they queue for their meals,
sometimes for hours, in the blistering sun and the frequent downpours, with no protection
from the elements

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IHMS acknowledged that people may miss appointments due to long queues for meals,
meaning people have to make the choice to go to their appointment or to eat. Some people
have fainted from heat stroke in the meal line.

http://www.amnesty.org.au/images/uploads/about/Amnesty_International_Manus_Islan...

I apologise, it does not specifically say three hours, however, is does say hours.

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:47pm:

Aren't the majority of boat people men?

I'm not sure on the data. i'm assuming you are saying this to try and pretend it is safe for men in PNG, when this is not the case either (although it is much safer for men than women there)

You expect Amnesty International - a vocal critic of any anti-illegal immigrant policy - to publish a factual report clear of bias? Too funny!!! Grin

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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #31 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:52pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Stratos wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:35pm:

how long they queue to get food?

Take it up with where I got my information, the Amnesty international report on Manus Island.

Quote:

The dining facilities are too small for all detainees to sit at once; they queue for their meals,
sometimes for hours, in the blistering sun and the frequent downpours, with no protection
from the elements

Quote:

IHMS acknowledged that people may miss appointments due to long queues for meals,
meaning people have to make the choice to go to their appointment or to eat. Some people
have fainted from heat stroke in the meal line.

http://www.amnesty.org.au/images/uploads/about/Amnesty_International_Manus_Islan...

I apologise, it does not specifically say three hours, however, is does say hours.

Grendel wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:47pm:

Aren't the majority of boat people men?

I'm not sure on the data. i'm assuming you are saying this to try and pretend it is safe for men in PNG, when this is not the case either (although it is much safer for men than women there)

You expect Amnesty International - a vocal critic of any anti-illegal immigrant policy - to publish a factual report clear of bias? Too funny!!! Grin

"anti-illegal immigrant" Grin

The fraudster gets funnier by the minute.

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Reply #32 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:59pm

____ wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:36pm:

____ wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:31pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 12:39pm:

People returning voluntarily just shows what a farce the left are about them not being country shoppers

Perhaps they know it's only time until Abbott murders more in his concentration camps.

Ummm, the ALP set up Manus Island, not Abbott...

It is Abbott's watch that he is murdering the refugees.

Part of abbott's plan is to make Australia worse than the regime these people are escaping.

that's libel

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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #33 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:01pm

Stratos wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:

Editing sources. New levels of dodgy I see.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Yes, it makes a mockery of their claim that they're fleeing in fear for their lives. If so, they wouldn't return voluntarily no matter what!

The current "options" involve staying in a camp in horrendous conditions where someone was recently murdered, or being settled in a country where 75% of women are sexually abused and half of all women have been victims of rape.

Any of these are perfectly valid reasons to seek asylum, and does not demonstrate they didn't have genuine claims to asylum.

Yet, in our haven, seems the Muslim women still obey their master-bullies, have their girls "cut" and marry old paedophiles while still children

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Reply #35 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:03pm

woody Quote:

When it rains, the camp smells strongly of sewage, particularly in Foxtrot Compound and near
the entrance to the detention centre. Some detainees expressed concern at not having shoes
or umbrellas, particularly when the weather is bad and it rains.
Water in Oscar Compound is now provided in 19-litre water cooler bottles located in the gym.
Two such bottles, nearly empty, stood on a table next to some plastic cups when we toured
the area. The coolers themselves had been removed.
We heard frequent complaints that the quantity of water provided in Oscar Compound was
insufficient. G4S and TSA staff reported delivering up to 12 water cooler bottles per day to
the compound, but some staff acknowledged that delays in replacing empty bottles were a
problem. A stock of new water bottles stood nearby on a palette in a fenced-off area behind
one of the buildings, but detainees do not have access to this area and said they were not
allowed to move the water bottles themselves.
In other compounds, drinking water is provided in individual 500ml bottles. Detainees in
those compounds appear to have no restrictions on the amount of water they have access to.

maybe they should go home ?

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: The tide has turned! Reply #36 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:17pm Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:39pm: You expect Amnesty International - a vocal critic of any anti-illegal immigrant policy - to publish a factual report clear of bias? Ad hominem. Lazy Also lazy as you didn't answer my previous question: Can you find a single report into these facilities that praises them?
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Reply #37 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:08pm:

A new low for AP. Who knew that he could actually go this low?

He went through the article, and changed every reference to 'asylum seekers' to 'illegal immigrants'.

What sort of person does such a thing? Seriously?

His "argument" is so weak, that he has to resort to this sort of childish, fraudulent behaviour.

Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants (they are two completely different things), yet not only does this clown not have the intelligence to understand such a simple fact, he also decides to alter a public news story to serve his own evil purpose.

I'm sure the newspaper involved would love to hear about the frudulent practices of our demented AP.

I had to go check, as the claim is incredible....but yes ~ you are totally correct.

There should be some Rule and serious sanction for that sort of dishonesty.

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Reply #38 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:25pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:30pm:

The researchers say the comparison period of before and after Operation Sovereign Borders used by Mr Morrison misses the point, "because this trend began back in July and there is no sign that the election of the Abbott Coalition Government has had any impact on arrivals whatsoever".

So Rudd murdered the illegal country shopper! I knew it, the little racist wanted all poor brown people to rot in PNG.

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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #39 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:30pm

King FriYAY II wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:25pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:30pm:

The researchers say the comparison period of before and after Operation Sovereign Borders used by Mr Morrison misses the point, "because this trend began back in July and there is no sign that the election of the Abbott Coalition Government has had any impact on arrivals whatsoever".

So Rudd murdered the illegal country shopper! I knew it, the little racist wanted all poor brown people to rot in PNG.

Almost there, son?

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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #40 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:36pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:30pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:25pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 2:30pm:

The researchers say the comparison period of before and after Operation Sovereign Borders used by Mr Morrison misses the point, "because this trend began back in July and there is no sign that the election of the Abbott Coalition Government has had any impact on arrivals whatsoever".

So Rudd murdered the illegal country shopper! I knew it, the little racist wanted all poor brown people to rot in PNG.

Almost there, son?

Don't call me son Plastic Rambo. Roll Eyes

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Reply #41 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:46pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:08pm:

A new low for AP. Who knew that he could actually go this low?

He went through the article, and changed every reference to 'asylum seekers' to 'illegal immigrants'.

What sort of person does such a thing? Seriously?

His "argument" is so weak, that he has to resort to this sort of childish, fraudulent behaviour.

Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants (they are two completely different things), yet not only does this clown not have the intelligence to understand such a simple fact, he also decides to alter a public news story to serve his own evil purpose.

I'm sure the newspaper involved would love to hear about the frudulent practices of our demented AP.

I had to go check, as the claim is incredible....but yes ~ you are totally correct.

There should be some Rule and serious sanction for that sort of dishonesty.

Hard to believe that someone would stoop that low.

He had no argument to begin with and then, he went and added insult to injury by changing the words of the Daily Telegraph's Political Editor - Simon Benson.

All of AP's post must now be treated with extreme scepticism, even if he provides a credible link.

The "man" has proven himself to be a fraudster.

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Re: The tide has turned!
Reply #42 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 4:34pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:05pm:

You call a safe camp not at risk of being overrun by rebels that contains fresh running water, proper toilets, fresh food, etc, etc to ne "horrendous"?

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let me know when you find such a camp Grin

you certainly know how to shoot yourself in the foot don't you?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-18/one-dead-77-injured-in-manus-island-unrest...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-11/manus-island-violates-prohibition-against-...

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #43 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 4:42pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:08pm:

A new low for AP. Who knew that he could actually go this low?

He went through the article, and changed every reference to 'asylum seekers' to 'illegal immigrants'.

What sort of person does such a thing? Seriously?

His "argument" is so weak, that he has to resort to this sort of childish, fraudulent behaviour.

Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants (they are two completely different things), yet not only does this clown not have the intelligence to understand such a simple fact, he also decides to alter a public news story to serve his own evil purpose.

I'm sure the newspaper involved would love to hear about the frudulent practices of our demented AP.

I had to go check, as the claim is incredible....but yes ~ you are totally correct.

There should be some Rule and serious sanction for that sort of dishonesty.

It actually shouldn't need a Rule, it simply should not occur. That said, the most basic benchmark should be the actual author of the article deserves a right of reply.... This has been facilitated should the author choose to take it up...

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On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

"They're not rules as such, more like guidelines" Pirates of the Caribbean..

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Reply #44 - Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 5:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 3:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 3^rd, 2014 at 1:08pm:

A new low for AP. Who knew that he could actually go this low?

He went through the article, and changed every reference to 'asylum seekers' to 'illegal immigrants'.

What sort of person does such a thing? Seriously?

His "argument" is so weak, that he has to resort to this sort of childish, fraudulent behaviour.

Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants (they are two completely different things), yet not only does this clown not have the intelligence to understand such a simple fact, he also decides to alter a public news story to serve his own evil purpose.

I'm sure the newspaper involved would love to hear about the frudulent practices of our demented AP.

I had to go check, as the claim is incredible....but yes ~ you are totally correct.

There should be some Rule and serious sanction for that sort of dishonesty.

Hard to believe that someone would stoop that low.

He had no argument to begin with and then, he went and added insult to injury by changing the words of the Daily Telegraph's Political Editor - Simon Benson.

All of AP's post must now be treated with extreme scepticism, even if he provides a credible link.

The "man" has proven himself to be a fraudster.

Hard to believe idiots like you can defend the policy of the previous Labor government on this issue. Heh, it's hilarious. From no boats to more than 750 in less than 6 years... along with at least 1,500 dead all on Labor's watch while they let 60,000+ country shopping illegal immigrants arrive. Appalling. Simply appalling.

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