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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Will Australians Have To Pay More Tax. Reply #15 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 1:56pm Define 'poor' Borg?
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Reply #17 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 3:07pm

Swagman wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 12:37pm:

True Colours wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 10:33am:

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Will Australians Have To Pay More Tax.

If by 'Australians' you mean the poor, then the answer is yes. If you mean the rich then we all know that the Liberlas are all about lower taxes for the rich.

We will have to pay more tax in order to pay for Abbott's harebrained baby bonus for billionaires scheme.

We will have to pay more tax to cover the gap created by Abbott's harebrained scheme to scrap the mining and carbon taxes.

We will have to pay more tax to fix the hole created in revenue streams when Howard scrapped the petrol excise.

What we can expect under Abbott is tax by stealth on the poor by bracket creep which means more poor Australians will be forced to pay higher rates of tax as Abbott refuses to raise tax brackets in line with inflation.

We can expect outright tax increases on the poor by Abbott's plan to increase the GST.

Suffer the poor under Abbott.

Fair dinkum where do you get that ridiculous garbage from?

The poor pay NO tax. They don't even pay GST if you factor in Govt handouts. Roll Eyes

That is a lie designed to whip up false outrage at a situation that does not exist.

HINT: GST = Goods and Services Tax

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Will Australians Have To Pay More Tax. Reply #18 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 3:42pm The poor pay NO tax. They don't even pay GST if you factor in Govt handouts "Factor in handouts" see you missed that bit.
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26513 Australia	Re: Will Australians Have To Pay More Tax. Reply #19 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 3:51pm Swagman wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 1:56pm: Define 'poor' Borg? Ppl that dont earn enough to pay their bills (rent electricity food etc) - and yet some dont get any money from the government. SOB
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Reply #20 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 3:53pm

miketrees wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

The poor pay NO tax. They don't even pay GST if you factor in Govt handouts

"Factor in handouts" see you missed that bit.

So you think ALL poor ppl get money from the government? Is that what you are saying? What about the ppl that work for councils for the minimum wage that is so low they cant pay their rent etc? what about ppl that are rejected by centerlink but they dont earn any money?

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Will Australians Have To Pay More Tax. Reply #21 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 4:03pm The irony is that hardly anyone will be working, but the ones that are will be paying BIG tax, but looking on the bright side, we'll have nice gardens....all the better to sleep in.
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Reply #22 - Apr 4^th, 2014 at 4:11pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

miketrees wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

The poor pay NO tax. They don't even pay GST if you factor in Govt handouts

"Factor in handouts" see you missed that bit.

So you think ALL poor ppl get money from the government? Is that what you are saying? What about the ppl that work for councils for the minimum wage that is so low they cant pay their rent etc? what about ppl that are rejected by centerlink but they dont earn any money?

SOB

COUNCIL WORKER Grin

BULLSHYTE

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Reply #23 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 4:54am

woody2014 wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 4:11pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 3:53pm:

miketrees wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 3:42pm:

The poor pay NO tax. They don't even pay GST if you factor in Govt handouts

"Factor in handouts" see you missed that bit.

So you think ALL poor ppl get money from the government? Is that what you are saying? What about the ppl that work for councils for the minimum wage that is so low they cant pay their rent etc? what about ppl that are rejected by centerlink but they dont earn any money?

SOB

COUNCIL WORKER Grin

BULLSHYTE

What are you talking about? Are you saying there are no council workers? Are you saying council workers make enough to pay rent? Are you saying they can get the dole? What?

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Reply #24 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 6:53am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

Not necessarily - you can go with a reduction in services. Seriously, how do you expect to have services if taxes aren't collected to pay for them? Roll Eyes

What about a lowering the costs for services?

ie
paying public servants less money.

Reduce all public servant wages by 10% to 25% -
whatever is required to reduce costs.

The problem with our society is that the people at the coal face actually
making money in real businesses are the only ones paying real taxes -
all the others are like parasites sucking their blood.

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Reply #25 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 7:10am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

Not necessarily - you can go with a reduction in services. Seriously, how do you expect to have services if taxes aren't collected to pay for them? Roll Eyes

What about a lowering the costs for services?

ie
paying public servants less money.

Reduce all public servant wages by 10% to 25% -
whatever is required to reduce costs.

The problem with our society is that the people at the coal face actually
making money in real businesses are the only ones paying real taxes -
all the others are like parasites sucking their blood.

Here we go again. The majority of public servants earn less money than anyone else. Teachers, cops, council workers, road workers, nurses, etc . . . .

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Reply #26 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 7:29am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 7:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

Not necessarily - you can go with a reduction in services. Seriously, how do you expect to have services if taxes aren't collected to pay for them? Roll Eyes

What about a lowering the costs for services?

ie
paying public servants less money.

Reduce all public servant wages by 10% to 25% -
whatever is required to reduce costs.

The problem with our society is that the people at the coal face actually
making money in real businesses are the only ones paying real taxes -
all the others are like parasites sucking their blood.

Here we go again. The majority of public servants earn less money than anyone else. Teachers, cops, council workers, road workers, nurses, etc . . . .

SOB

No they don't - public servants are on a good wicket.

Private industry - the people actually making the money -
are paid less & less due to unemployment -
it's an employers market.

Public servants are roaring ahead of the private sector.
If a public servant lost their job they would have to accept far less money from private industry.

The real problem is the power of public service unions.
The Govt. doesn't want to take them on -
because Tony Abbott now & Kevin Rudd/ Gillard in the past are all gutless.

Imagine if Abbott told public servants that they would all have to accept a 10% pay cut to save his budget?

There would be wide spread strikes & chaos.

Public servants are paid out of borrowed money.

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Re: Will Australians Have To Pay More Tax.
Reply #27 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 7:40am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 12:14pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

Not necessarily - you can go with a reduction in services. Seriously, how do you expect to have services if taxes aren't collected to pay for them? Roll Eyes

Well - if the government owned the services they would pay for themselves . . . . .

SOB

Not necessarily true. A government-run service generally costs more than the same service provided by the private sector. This is basically because of the desire to reduce wasteful spending as far as possible in the private sector so as to increase profits, while a government-run service has no such needs and therefore little motivation to reduce wasteful spending or find more cost-effective ways of delivering services.

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Reply #28 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 7:43am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 7:29am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 7:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 6:53am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 4^th, 2014 at 9:10am:

Not necessarily - you can go with a reduction in services. Seriously, how do you expect to have services if taxes aren't collected to pay for them? Roll Eyes

What about a lowering the costs for services?

ie
paying public servants less money.

Reduce all public servant wages by 10% to 25% -
whatever is required to reduce costs.

The problem with our society is that the people at the coal face actually
making money in real businesses are the only ones paying real taxes -
all the others are like parasites sucking their blood.

Here we go again. The majority of public servants earn less money than anyone else. Teachers, cops, council workers, road workers, nurses, etc . . . .

SOB

No they don't - public servants are on a good wicket.

Private industry - the people actually making the money -
are paid less & less due to unemployment -
it's an employers market.

Public servants are roaring ahead of the private sector.
If a public servant lost their job they would have to accept far less money from private industry.

The real problem is the power of public service unions.
The Govt. doesn't want to take them on -
because Tony Abbott now & Kevin Rudd/ Gillard in the past are all gutless.

Imagine if Abbott told public servants that they would all have to accept a 10% pay cut to save his budget?

There would be wide spread strikes & chaos.

Public servants are paid out of borrowed money.

Certainly the case under Labor over the previous six years but not the case under Howard once he paid off Keatings' $96bn debt.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106480 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Will Australians Have To Pay More Tax. Reply #29 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 7:51am Hi Armchair - I am glad you agree with me.
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