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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #30 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:23pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
They have stopped arriving in Australia. That's his remit. That's all we care about.


Well obviously.

Never mind their health well being or right to asylum, as long as they don't turn up to your country.

Your views are just pathetic bigotry AP, and I truly hope you will come to see these people differently.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
I wouldn't worry about the UN Convention most other countries don't.


Yes, clearly a race to the bottom is the right idea to approach a humaitarian issue Roll Eyes
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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #31 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:33pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:21pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
The plan - so I believe - was always to stop them arriving in Australia.

The push factors in those parts of the world are well beyond the remit of the Australian PM - but the pull factors are not.

You stop Australia being easy to get to, you stop the benefits system making it less attractive and you actively push them somewhere else.


Yeas, it is now clear that was the hidden Agenda, cloaked behind claimed concern about people/children drowning at sea attempting to come here.


I would have thought it was clear from the outset his plan was to stop the boats arriving to Australia.
I mean that's all people care about - why overpromise? He isn't going to fix the issue outside of his remit is it?


No, it was not.  The sales pitch, mantraed over and over and over, was not to stop people getting here by boat, it was to stop people drowning.

Andrei......just accept that as fact.  There is no need for me to provide a link, as there is no-one here in Australia who would disagree with what I have said.

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It seems Aussies are a bit too "play by the rules" all the time.


Yeas, we are a weird mob expecting Rules to be abided by.  Shame on us for that.


The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'.  I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.
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Reply #32 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:39pm
 
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The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'.  I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.


Just to clear it up.  Are you attempting to inform this Forum that Abbott (and Rudd) did not go to the last election on the platform of destroying Achmed's business model so that people no longer drowned at sea?
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Reply #33 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 8:32pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 2:01pm:
You're a f-cking joke, AP.

You're usually saying the UN's opinion on everything is worth sh!t, yet here you are using it as evidence.

My sentiments exactly, but the women bashers office girl is paid twenty bucks an hour to write this crap by the bashers enforcer, Lurch Crediln.
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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #34 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:19pm
 
Stratos wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:11pm:
Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:04pm:
I am a little confused.  Are there people trying to suggest that the boats haven't stopped?  I  thought that was indisputable?


They have stopped arriving in Australia.  Boats are still set out, and people are still being smuggled.

Oh, and we are still not meeting our own obligations regarding our responsibility to refugees as per the UN refugee convention we have signed, thanks to both the Rudd and Abbott government.


That in itself is a big .00002 on the Giveacrapometer rating scale of 10.
The government is elected by the people to look after our interests, not simply be puppet to an obsolete 50+ year old UN Refugee Convention and turn a blind eye to the scourge of people smuggling.
The will of the people come first.
Western governments around the world are finally waking up from their slumber, and are changing the way in which they deal with this issue slowly but surely.
The lefts open door expectation left reality along time ago, and is totally unsustainable.
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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #35 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:53pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
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The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'.  I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.


Just to clear it up.  Are you attempting to inform this Forum that Abbott (and Rudd) did not go to the last election on the platform of destroying Achmed's business model so that people no longer drowned at sea?


He said he would literally Stop the Boats. Now you can draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but he promised that and delivered it.

Being somewhat of a cynic, I am just pleased for once to see an election promise fulfilled.  it has been a while.
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Reply #36 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:09pm
 
Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:53pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
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The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'.  I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.


Just to clear it up.  Are you attempting to inform this Forum that Abbott (and Rudd) did not go to the last election on the platform of destroying Achmed's business model so that people no longer drowned at sea?


He said he would literally Stop the Boats. Now you can draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but he promised that and delivered it.

Being somewhat of a cynic, I am just pleased for once to see an election promise fulfilled.  it has been a while.


Okay.....I'll go off on this tangent to humour you even  though the sales pitch (of both major parties) was to stop people drowning.

Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal, and I have posted why exhaustively, and no-one here has challenged that.
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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #37 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:24pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
The plan - so I believe - was always to stop them arriving in Australia.

No - if you believe all the hand wringing from from Liberal and Labor voters - the plan was to stop people drowning.

People are still getting in boats.  People will still drown.

Only the racists honest enough to admit they are racists say the plan is to stop them arriving in Australia.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
The push factors in those parts of the world are well beyond the remit of the Australian PM - but the pull factors are not.

You stop Australia being easy to get to, you stop the benefits system making it less attractive and you actively push them somewhere else.

When did we stop Australia being signatory to the Refugee Convention?

Racists like you seem to forget that little detail.
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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #38 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:26pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:09pm:
Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:53pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
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The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'.  I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.


Just to clear it up.  Are you attempting to inform this Forum that Abbott (and Rudd) did not go to the last election on the platform of destroying Achmed's business model so that people no longer drowned at sea?


He said he would literally Stop the Boats. Now you can draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but he promised that and delivered it.

Being somewhat of a cynic, I am just pleased for once to see an election promise fulfilled.  it has been a while.


Okay.....I'll go off on this tangent to humour you even  though the sales pitch (of both major parties) was to stop people drowning.

Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal, and I have posted why exhaustively, and no-one here has challenged that.


And why would it be challenged, except by criminal people smugglers and their supporters?
The government has kept an election promise to it's people in a timely manner.
It's that simple.
It's also a governments responsibility to ensure a country has secure borders.
And it's up to each and every nations government on the planet to determine the best way to achieve that.
Operation Sovereign Borders clearly works for Australia, and so therefore will remain in force during the term of a Coalition government.
And the people smugglers and those that support them can all go to hell.
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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #39 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:27pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Stratos wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:11pm:
Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:04pm:
I am a little confused.  Are there people trying to suggest that the boats haven't stopped?  I  thought that was indisputable?


They have stopped arriving in Australia.  Boats are still set out, and people are still being smuggled.

Oh, and we are still not meeting our own obligations regarding our responsibility to refugees as per the UN refugee convention we have signed, thanks to both the Rudd and Abbott government.


They have stopped arriving in Australia. That's his remit. That's all we care about.

That is all that racists care about. Don't incude everybody in your bigoted little world.

Most Australians are decent human beings.  Not racist scum like you.
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Reply #40 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:35pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:26pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:09pm:
Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:53pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
Quote:
The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'.  I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.


Just to clear it up.  Are you attempting to inform this Forum that Abbott (and Rudd) did not go to the last election on the platform of destroying Achmed's business model so that people no longer drowned at sea?


He said he would literally Stop the Boats. Now you can draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but he promised that and delivered it.

Being somewhat of a cynic, I am just pleased for once to see an election promise fulfilled.  it has been a while.


Okay.....I'll go off on this tangent to humour you even  though the sales pitch (of both major parties) was to stop people drowning.

Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal, and I have posted why exhaustively, and no-one here has challenged that.


And why would it be challenged, except by criminal people smugglers and their supporters?
The government has kept an election promise to it's people in a timely manner.
It's that simple.
It's also a governments responsibility to ensure a country has secure borders.
And it's up to each and every nations government on the planet to determine the best way to achieve that.
Operation Sovereign Borders clearly works for Australia, and so therefore will remain in force during the term of a Coalition government.
And the people smugglers and those that support them can all go to hell.


You seem not to have understood.  I have explained here why Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal.  Do you support anyone who benefits from or takes credit for illegal activity?

I don't.  What we are doing is illegal.
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Reply #41 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:36pm
 
rabbitoh08 wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
The plan - so I believe - was always to stop them arriving in Australia.

No - if you believe all the hand wringing from from Liberal and Labor voters - the plan was to stop people drowning.

People are still getting in boats.  People will still drown.

Only the racists honest enough to admit they are racists say the plan is to stop them arriving in Australia.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
The push factors in those parts of the world are well beyond the remit of the Australian PM - but the pull factors are not.

You stop Australia being easy to get to, you stop the benefits system making it less attractive and you actively push them somewhere else.

When did we stop Australia being signatory to the Refugee Convention?

Racists like you seem to forget that little detail.


And when did the 50+ year old obsolete refugee convention mention people smugglers or anything else relevant to the modern world?
Does the convention when it was written right after WW2 have anything in it about people travelling around the other side of the globe, bypassing many countries they could have claimed asylum in to escape persecution but instead hand picking their choice of a western safe haven.
Well in a word, no.
The convention has nothing in it about migratory outcomes.
The convention is obsolete, and little wonder western nations are ignoring it more and more.
Clowns like you seem to forget that little detail.
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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #42 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:42pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:35pm:
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:26pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:09pm:
Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 10:53pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:39pm:
Quote:
The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'.  I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.


Just to clear it up.  Are you attempting to inform this Forum that Abbott (and Rudd) did not go to the last election on the platform of destroying Achmed's business model so that people no longer drowned at sea?


He said he would literally Stop the Boats. Now you can draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but he promised that and delivered it.

Being somewhat of a cynic, I am just pleased for once to see an election promise fulfilled.  it has been a while.


Okay.....I'll go off on this tangent to humour you even  though the sales pitch (of both major parties) was to stop people drowning.

Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal, and I have posted why exhaustively, and no-one here has challenged that.


And why would it be challenged, except by criminal people smugglers and their supporters?
The government has kept an election promise to it's people in a timely manner.
It's that simple.
It's also a governments responsibility to ensure a country has secure borders.
And it's up to each and every nations government on the planet to determine the best way to achieve that.
Operation Sovereign Borders clearly works for Australia, and so therefore will remain in force during the term of a Coalition government.
And the people smugglers and those that support them can all go to hell.


You seem not to have understood.  I have explained here why Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal.  Do you support anyone who benefits from or takes credit for illegal activity?

I don't.  What we are doing is illegal.


Who cares really.
The policy works.
That's what matters.
The people get what they voted for.
If it bothers you so much about it being 'illegal', petition the government to change the law to make it legal to you then eh. Wink
Or take then to court yourself. Smiley
Otherwise, suck it up and accept the governments mandate and the peoples will to stop foreign criminal people smugglers in anyway they so choose.
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"Another boat, another policy failure from the Howard government"

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Reply #43 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:44pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:36pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
The plan - so I believe - was always to stop them arriving in Australia.

No - if you believe all the hand wringing from from Liberal and Labor voters - the plan was to stop people drowning.

People are still getting in boats.  People will still drown.

Only the racists honest enough to admit they are racists say the plan is to stop them arriving in Australia.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
The push factors in those parts of the world are well beyond the remit of the Australian PM - but the pull factors are not.

You stop Australia being easy to get to, you stop the benefits system making it less attractive and you actively push them somewhere else.

When did we stop Australia being signatory to the Refugee Convention?

Racists like you seem to forget that little detail.


And when did the 50+ year old obsolete refugee convention mention people smugglers or anything else relevant to the modern world?

If it is obsolete - then maybe Tony should withdraw Australia from it.

Why doesn't he do that ?

Why doesn't Tony man  up and stop breaking international law?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:36pm:
Does the convention when it was written right after WW2 have anything in it about people travelling around the other side of the globe, bypassing many countries they could have claimed asylum in to escape persecution but instead hand picking their choice of a western safe haven.
Well in a word, no.
The convention has nothing in it about migratory outcomes.
The convention is obsolete, and little wonder western nations are ignoring it more and more.
Clowns like you seem to forget that little detail.

Let's see Tony man up and withdraw then.

Instead if being a gutless little prick - blowing dog-whistles to racists but still trying to look civilised.  Just like climate change - Tony blows dog whistles to the moron deniers with his "abolish the carbon tax" crap - but intends to give us a bigger tax with his "direct action".

Tony is incompetent.  He must go.
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Reply #44 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:48pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:36pm:
rabbitoh08 wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
The plan - so I believe - was always to stop them arriving in Australia.

No - if you believe all the hand wringing from from Liberal and Labor voters - the plan was to stop people drowning.

People are still getting in boats.  People will still drown.

Only the racists honest enough to admit they are racists say the plan is to stop them arriving in Australia.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 7:00pm:
The push factors in those parts of the world are well beyond the remit of the Australian PM - but the pull factors are not.

You stop Australia being easy to get to, you stop the benefits system making it less attractive and you actively push them somewhere else.

When did we stop Australia being signatory to the Refugee Convention?

Racists like you seem to forget that little detail.


And when did the 50+ year old obsolete refugee convention mention people smugglers or anything else relevant to the modern world?
Does the convention when it was written right after WW2 have anything in it about people travelling around the other side of the globe, bypassing many countries they could have claimed asylum in to escape persecution but instead hand picking their choice of a western safe haven.
Well in a word, no.
The convention has nothing in it about migratory outcomes.
The convention is obsolete, and little wonder western nations are ignoring it more and more.
Clowns like you seem to forget that little detail.


No, the 'clowns' as you call me have not forgotten anything, including that we remain committed to that Convention.  Abbott and his disciples like you will blow me right out of the water, if he took the simple step of announcing that Australia repudiates that Convention.  How hard is that?

I guess it must be.....because Abbott has not had the balls to do it.  Instead, he breaches it, and he like every other bastard who breaches those Conventions, one day, will be held to account at The Hague.

There, we knocked off Japan....because they were in breach of International Law about whales.

Not only do we submit to that Jurisdiction, we invoke it.
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