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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #45 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:48pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:26pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

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The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'. I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.

Just to clear it up. Are you attempting to inform this Forum that Abbott (and Rudd) did not go to the last election on the platform of destroying Achmed's business model so that people no longer drowned at sea?

He said he would literally Stop the Boats. Now you can draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but he promised that and delivered it.

Being somewhat of a cynic, I am just pleased for once to see an election promise fulfilled. it has been a while.

Okay.....I'll go off on this tangent to humour you even though the sales pitch (of both major parties) was to stop people drowning.

Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal, and I have posted why exhaustively, and no-one here has challenged that.

And why would it be challenged, except by criminal people smugglers and their supporters?
The government has kept an election promise to it's people in a timely manner.
It's that simple.
It's also a governments responsibility to ensure a country has secure borders.
And it's up to each and every nations government on the planet to determine the best way to achieve that.
Operation Sovereign Borders clearly works for Australia, and so therefore will remain in force during the term of a Coalition government.
And the people smugglers and those that support them can all go to hell.

You seem not to have understood. I have explained here why Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal. Do you support anyone who benefits from or takes credit for illegal activity?

I don't. What we are doing is illegal.

Who cares really.
The policy works.

How? The boats haven't stopped
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

That's what matters.
The people get what they voted for.

The people voted for stopping boats.
The boats are still coming.
THey are being turned back
But they are still coming
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

If it bothers you so much about it being 'illegal', petition the government to change the law to make it legal to you then eh. Wink

Tony has never said he will withdraw from the UN Convention. Gutless little prick that he is.

Why doesn't he?

THat would make it legal.

Why doesn't the gutless little prick do it?

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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #46 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:57pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:44pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:36pm:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:00pm:

The plan - so I believe - was always to stop them arriving in Australia.

No - if you believe all the hand wringing from from Liberal and Labor voters - the plan was to stop people drowning.

People are still getting in boats. People will still drown.

Only the racists honest enough to admit they are racists say the plan is to stop them arriving in Australia.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:00pm:

The push factors in those parts of the world are well beyond the remit of the Australian PM - but the pull factors are not.

You stop Australia being easy to get to, you stop the benefits system making it less attractive and you actively push them somewhere else.

When did we stop Australia being signatory to the Refugee Convention?

Racists like you seem to forget that little detail.

And when did the 50+ year old obsolete refugee convention mention people smugglers or anything else relevant to the modern world?

If it is obsolete - then maybe Tony should withdraw Australia from it.

Why doesn't he do that ?

Why doesn't Tony man up and stop breaking international law?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:36pm:

Does the convention when it was written right after WW2 have anything in it about people travelling around the other side of the globe, bypassing many countries they could have claimed asylum in to escape persecution but instead hand picking their choice of a western safe haven.
Well in a word, no.
The convention has nothing in it about migratory outcomes.
The convention is obsolete, and little wonder western nations are ignoring it more and more.
Clowns like you seem to forget that little detail.

Let's see Tony man up and withdraw then.

Instead if being a gutless little prick - blowing dog-whistles to racists but still trying to look civilised. Just like climate change - Tony blows dog whistles to the nice person deniers with his "abolish the carbon tax" crap - but intends to give us a bigger tax with his "direct action".

Tony is incompetent. He must go.

Of course he is incompetent, which is why his policy clearly worked in six months, and achieved what the Labor/ Greens alliance couldn't achieve in six long painful years.
I will take Abbotts level of incompetence over Labor's any day of the week.
Abbott doesn't have to 'man up' and change anything.
He's not about to stop necessary skilled migration to this country to suit your agenda.
But he will, and has stopped foreign criminal people smugglers who smuggle unemployable dole queue fodder to this country.
You need to learn to accept the will of the people.

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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #47 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 12:08am

rabbitoh08 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:48pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:26pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Quote:

The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'. I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.

Just to clear it up. Are you attempting to inform this Forum that Abbott (and Rudd) did not go to the last election on the platform of destroying Achmed's business model so that people no longer drowned at sea?

He said he would literally Stop the Boats. Now you can draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but he promised that and delivered it.

Being somewhat of a cynic, I am just pleased for once to see an election promise fulfilled. it has been a while.

Okay.....I'll go off on this tangent to humour you even though the sales pitch (of both major parties) was to stop people drowning.

Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal, and I have posted why exhaustively, and no-one here has challenged that.

And why would it be challenged, except by criminal people smugglers and their supporters?
The government has kept an election promise to it's people in a timely manner.
It's that simple.
It's also a governments responsibility to ensure a country has secure borders.
And it's up to each and every nations government on the planet to determine the best way to achieve that.
Operation Sovereign Borders clearly works for Australia, and so therefore will remain in force during the term of a Coalition government.
And the people smugglers and those that support them can all go to hell.

You seem not to have understood. I have explained here why Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal. Do you support anyone who benefits from or takes credit for illegal activity?

I don't. What we are doing is illegal.

Who cares really.
The policy works.

How? The boats haven't stopped
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

That's what matters.
The people get what they voted for.

The people voted for stopping boats.
The boats are still coming.
THey are being turned back
But they are still coming
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

If it bothers you so much about it being 'illegal', petition the government to change the law to make it legal to you then eh. Wink

Tony has never said he will withdraw from the UN Convention. Gutless little prick that he is.

Why doesn't he?

THat would make it legal.

Why doesn't the gutless little prick do it?

Oh, that's your 'law' is it that makes the governments policy 'illegal'?
A convention is no law, and never will be.
Who cares if country shoppers continue to pay $10k to be sent to PNG.
None of my business.
Sooner or later the Governments resolve will win out.
That's what matters.
You keep saying the boats keep coming, however your fantasy has no substance.
Nothing has been reported from Indonesia now for many weeks about orange boats arriving with incensed foreigners aboard, and the Coalition is right now clearing the detention centres of Labor's policy failures by returning country shoppers home.
The government has already announced the closure of Northern Australian detention centres later this year.
Sounds like policy success to me.

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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #48 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 12:18am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

rabbitoh08 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:48pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:35pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:26pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:09pm:

Mandy_oz wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 10:53pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 7:39pm:

Quote:

The slogan was 'Stop the Boats'. I don't know how that can possibly be misinterpreted.

Just to clear it up. Are you attempting to inform this Forum that Abbott (and Rudd) did not go to the last election on the platform of destroying Achmed's business model so that people no longer drowned at sea?

He said he would literally Stop the Boats. Now you can draw whatever conclusions you want from that, but he promised that and delivered it.

Being somewhat of a cynic, I am just pleased for once to see an election promise fulfilled. it has been a while.

Okay.....I'll go off on this tangent to humour you even though the sales pitch (of both major parties) was to stop people drowning.

Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal, and I have posted why exhaustively, and no-one here has challenged that.

And why would it be challenged, except by criminal people smugglers and their supporters?
The government has kept an election promise to it's people in a timely manner.
It's that simple.
It's also a governments responsibility to ensure a country has secure borders.
And it's up to each and every nations government on the planet to determine the best way to achieve that.
Operation Sovereign Borders clearly works for Australia, and so therefore will remain in force during the term of a Coalition government.
And the people smugglers and those that support them can all go to hell.

You seem not to have understood. I have explained here why Operation Sovereign Borders is illegal. Do you support anyone who benefits from or takes credit for illegal activity?

I don't. What we are doing is illegal.

Who cares really.
The policy works.

How? The boats haven't stopped
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

That's what matters.
The people get what they voted for.

The people voted for stopping boats.
The boats are still coming.
THey are being turned back
But they are still coming
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:42pm:

If it bothers you so much about it being 'illegal', petition the government to change the law to make it legal to you then eh. Wink

Tony has never said he will withdraw from the UN Convention. Gutless little prick that he is.

Why doesn't he?

THat would make it legal.

Why doesn't the gutless little prick do it?

Oh, that's your 'law' is it that makes the governments policy 'illegal'?

Australia is a signatory to a Convention. It is international law. Not "my law". And we are in breach of it.
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

A convention is no law, and never will be.

Wrong
A treaty is an agreement under international law entered into by actors in international law, namely sovereign states and international organizations. A treaty may also be known as an (international) agreement, protocol, covenant, convention, pact, or exchange of letters, among other terms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

Who cares if country shoppers continue to pay $10k to be sent to PNG.
None of my business.
Sooner or later the Governments resolve will win out.
That's what matters.
You keep saying the boats keep coming, however your fantasy has no substance.
Nothing has been reported from Indonesia now for many weeks about orange boats arriving with incensed foreigners aboard, and the Coalition is right now clearing the detention centres of Labor's policy failures by returning country shoppers home.
The government has already announced the closure of Northern Australian detention centres later this year.
Sounds like policy success to me.

Another orange lifeboat carrying asylum seekers arrives on Indonesia's Java coast: military source
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-25/another-orange-lifeboat-carrying-asylum-se...

As long as racists like yourself are happy that the information has stopped - then racists are happy.

Most Australians are not racists like you. We are not happy.

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Re: Even UN experts admit Abbott has stoppedthe boats!
Reply #49 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 12:21am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 11:57pm: