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France edges closer to reclaiming its heritage.
Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values.

France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe.

'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.'

Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW'

Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized.

Hello? ... hello?

Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals?

Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised?

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Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: France edges closer to reclaiming its heritage. Reply #1 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:11pm Herbert, why don't you just post these in Thinking Globally where they inevitably end up anyway?
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Reply #2 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:18pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values.

France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe.

'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.'

Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW'

Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized.

Hello? ... hello?

Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals?

Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised?

link

Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes.

I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!!

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Reply #3 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values.

France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe.

'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.'

Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW'

Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized.

Hello? ... hello?

Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals?

Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised?

link

Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes.

I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!!

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now now phil...you know what they say about "little acorns" dont you?

and these type of laws are just the thin end of the wedge..... they usually start in the schools..this is where it happens without you really being aware of it..

I am sorry I am a "When in Rome do as the Romans do" kind of person.

...muslims know what they are heading into long before they arrive.....they have a choice..
no one is telling them to go live in a christian country...they choose to do so..

they by pass a muslim country to come here for instance.

do you think every business should build a mosque so they have a place for prayer 5 times a day>???

I am happy to accommodate people but they want to change our way of life.. to become like theirs...at least thats the way I see it...

sure it wont happen in my life time...but to me its just the beginning

let them go where they dont breed pigs......simple.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: France edges closer to reclaiming its heritage. Reply #5 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:22pm Stratos wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:11pm: Herbert, why don't you just post these in Thinking Globally where they inevitably end up anyway? You're right. I missed that.
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Reply #6 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:23pm

cods wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values.

France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe.

'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.'

Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW'

Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized.

Hello? ... hello?

Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals?

Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised?

link

Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes.

I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!!

Wink

now now phil...you know what they say about "little acorns" dont you?

and these type of laws are just the thin end of the wedge..... they usually start in the schools..this is where it happens without you really being aware of it..

I am sorry I am a "When in Rome do as the Romans do" kind of person.

...muslims know what they are heading into long before they arrive.....they have a choice..
no one is telling them to go live in a christian country...they choose to do so..

they by pass a muslim country to come here for instance.

do you think every business should build a mosque so they have a place for prayer 5 times a day>???

I am happy to accommodate people but they want to change our way of life.. to become like theirs...at least thats the way I see it...

sure it wont happen in my life time...but to me its just the beginning

let them go where they dont breed pigs......simple.

What is wrong with offering choice Cods.....Who is trying to change anyone's way of life.....by the way do you have any examples???

Huh

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Life_goes_on Gold Member Offline Posts: 4772 400kms south of Yobsville, Qld Gender:	Re: France edges closer to reclaiming its heritage. Reply #7 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:25pm Reclaiming their heritage? As garlic loving, surrender monkeys? I wasn't aware that they'd lost it.
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Reply #8 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:32pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!!

Wink

This Le Pen party doesn't want the gap between Us and Them to keep growing ever wider due to endless government concessions to Muslim tradition and cultural sensitivities, and the whole reason for a secular public school system has been to unite the children of different races and cultural backgrounds to the common denominator of French mono-culturalism.

But even so, I think it's a bit spiteful that the parents of Muslim kids are not allowed to pack a halal lunch for them on this one day of the school week when pork is served.

That seems unnecessarily vindictive to me.

I would still vote for them, but. Tongue

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Reply #9 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:37pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:25pm:

Reclaiming their heritage?

As garlic loving, surrender monkeys?

I wasn't aware that they'd lost it.

5 million Muslims can make more than a little indent upon your ancestral national culture.

Quote:

This prison is majority Muslim — as is virtually every house of incarceration in France. About 60 to 70 percent of all inmates in the country’s prison system are Muslim, according to Muslim leaders, sociologists and researchers, though Muslims make up only about 12 percent of the country’s population.

On a continent where immigrants and the children of immigrants are disproportionately represented in almost every prison system, the French figures are the most marked, according to researchers, criminologists and Muslim leaders.

“The high percentage of Muslims in prisons is a direct consequence of the failure of the integration of minorities in France,” said Moussa Khedimellah, a sociologist who has spent several years conducting research on Muslims in the French penal system.

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(It's NOT the fault of the Muslims ~ you FOOLS! It's SOCIETY that makes them commit crime! The Muslims in France's jails are the VICTIMS, you BASTARDS! ~)

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In Britain, 11 percent of prisoners are Muslim in contrast to about 3 percent of all inhabitants, according to the Justice Ministry. Research by the Open Society Institute, an advocacy organization, shows that in the Netherlands 20 percent of adult prisoners and 26 percent of all juvenile offenders are Muslim; the country is about 5.5 percent Muslim. In Belgium, Muslims from Morocco and Turkey make up at least 16 percent of the prison population, compared with 2 percent of the general populace, the research found.

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Horrific figures! ~ and meanwhile the politicians are STILL ignoring the elephant in the room.

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Reply #10 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:46pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!!

Wink

This Le Pen party doesn't want the gap between Us and Them to keep growing ever wider due to endless government concessions to Muslim tradition and cultural sensitivities, and the whole reason for a secular public school system has been to unite the children of different races and cultural backgrounds to the common denominator of French mono-culturalism.

But even so, I think it's a bit spiteful that the parents of Muslim kids are not allowed to pack a halal lunch for them on this one day of the school week when pork is served.

That seems unnecessarily vindictive to me.

I would still vote for them, but. Tongue

Tell me Herb if you know.....Are parents of children who are not Muslim allowed to pack an alternative lunch if they do not eat pork???

Huh

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Reply #11 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:46pm:

Tell me Herb if you know.....Are parents of children who are not Muslim allowed to pack an alternative lunch if they do not eat pork???

Huh

No idea.

A school lunch-box is just a small plastic box that can sit on a small child's knee.

It really is no big deal.

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Reply #13 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:58pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values.

France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe.

'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.'

Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW'

Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized.

Hello? ... hello?

Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals?

Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised?

link

Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes.

isn't it up to the school to decide what it feeds it's kids? If they want to feed non-pork, what are these ultra right loons doing stopping them?

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Reply #14 - Apr 5^th, 2014 at 5:07pm

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

cods wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:18pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 5^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

National Front leader Marine Le Pen said on Friday it would prevent schools from offering non-pork alternatives to Muslim pupils in the 11 towns it won in local elections, saying such arrangements were contrary to France's secular values.

France's republic has a strict secular tradition enforceable by law, but faith-related demands have risen in recent years, especially from the country's five-million-strong Muslim minority, the largest in Europe.

'We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.'

Please note: 'THAT'S THE LAW'

Former president Nicolas Sarkozy then waded into the row suggesting that meat should be labelled to tell consumers how the animal was slaughtered, which Jews and Muslims reject because they fear it will lead to them being stigmatized.

Hello? ... hello?

Isn't this an admission of cruelty to the animals?

Of course it is. Why else would they have to fear being stigmatised?

link

Islamisation-by-stealth is what's being addressed here ~ as well as reversing the luvvie's having waived the law to ingratiate with the Muslims to win their 5 million votes.

I don't mind a ham and cheese croissant every now and then but I am not a big fan of pork.....Some people don't even eat meat at all because they like vegetarian.....The French also eat horse meat snails and frogs legs which I would also avoid.....I have no problem if pork is on the menu as long as it is not the only thing on offer.....If this is claiming back any kind of heritage then the French don't have much to be proud of do they.....No wonder their country keeps getting invaded and losing wars!!!

Wink

now now phil...you know what they say about "little acorns" dont you?

and these type of laws are just the thin end of the wedge..... they usually start in the schools..this is where it happens without you really being aware of it..

I am sorry I am a "When in Rome do as the Romans do" kind of person.

...muslims know what they are heading into long before they arrive.....they have a choice..
no one is telling them to go live in a christian country...they choose to do so..

they by pass a muslim country to come here for instance.

do you think every business should build a mosque so they have a place for prayer 5 times a day>???

I am happy to accommodate people but they want to change our way of life.. to become like theirs...at least thats the way I see it...

sure it wont happen in my life time...but to me its just the beginning

let them go where they dont breed pigs......simple.

What is wrong with offering choice Cods.....Who is trying to change anyone's way of life.....by the way do you have any examples???

Huh

We will not accept any religious demands in school menus,' Le Pen told RTL radio. 'There is no reason for religion to enter the public sphere, that's the law.'

well phil god has been removed from public schools by way of prayer...

as far as I know phil Jews dont eat anything from the pig or prawns..but they dont demand being notified...they work it out for themselves..

we know take away shops in certain parts of Sydney put Hala on their menus. this we know is a business move...

however..to me this is the thin end of the wedge...see the words FAITH RELATED DEMANDS HAVE RISEN..
I find it hard to believe schools in France only sell pork related food...

Muslims attending the German Islam Conference were apparently offended by the insinuation that Islam could be radical or violent.

A major conference on German-Muslim relations has ended in failure after Muslims attending the event refused to acknowledge the government's concerns about the threats to security posed by radical Islam.

German Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich had wanted the eighth annual German Islam Conference, held in Berlin on May 7, to focus on finding ways the government could work together with "moderate" Muslims in Germany to combat Islamism and extremism.

But Muslims attending the gathering were apparently offended by the insinuation that Islam could be radical or violent, and demanded instead that the German government take steps to make "Islam equal to Christianity" in Germany.

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