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Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority
Reply #45 - Apr 16^th, 2014 at 10:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

You merely believe the islamic spin that excusing the slaughter and forced mass migration of Jews and blaming it all on the Jews is not anti-semitic.

To be anti-semitic I would have to justify the slaughter of jews on some stereotypical negative characteristic perceived to be innate to jews.

No, you would simply have to be like Muhammad and his true followers.

Sahih Muslim B41, #6981 Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: You will fight against the jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him. (also #6983 #6984 #6985)
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islam_and_jews.htm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

I do not - thats why you have to keep putting words in my mouth and persist with the "scheming jew" meme, or one of its many variations - which I have never once used. I justify the execution of people .......

You do understand that Satan has you so blinded, that you are defending the beheading execution of innocent Jewish farm boy "people" don't you?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm#banu_qurayza

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

..... for planning the destruction of the people they are pretending to be loyal to.

Regarding the Banu Qurayza I will continue to assume you are lying (whether through intent or because you bought into a lie), unless and until you can support your empty claim through the Quran or Hadith (not some later embellishing lies). Would you please do that now before making this claim again, so that either you or I can be satisfied that at least one or two men of the Banu Qurayza did or did not do, as you repeatedly claim they did.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

This has nothing to do with hating jews for being jews, and is therefore not anti-semitic.

So please explain this popular Islamic TV Cleric's hatred of Jews with whom you - who even rejects the significance of Mecca - would seem to disagree. Perhaps you're a true Muslim and he isn't?

If you would try responding to my posts rather than ignoring them, with Jesus' help you overcome Satan, the father of lies, and his stand-alone messenger Muhammad.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/index.htm

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Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority
Reply #46 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:19am

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To be anti-semitic I would have to justify the slaughter of jews on some stereotypical negative characteristic perceived to be innate to jews.

So you would never use words like traitorous, scheming, plotting, etc to justify the mass slaughter of Jews? Only a Nazi would do that, right?

In any case, why does it matter what excuse you offer? You are compelled by Islam to make excuses for Muhammed slaughtering Jews and expelling them from their own homes. Islam is inherently anti-semitic. Muhammed created a society that put Jews in a position of inferiority. Jews were only tolerated while they adopted a position of inferiority and put up with all the crap the Muslims heaped on them. If they didn't, well that was plotting wasn't it, and we all know what happens to traitorous people who just happen to be Jews (and a thousand or so of their extended family, again all Jews), don't we?

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Reply #47 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 10:30am

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".............But there is one culture that is alien to Australians who have, until now, welcomed all-comers... and that’s the culture of Islam.

I can already hear the loony Left screeching “racism” and “xenophobia”, but no fellas, it has nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with “culture”, a culture that will not, and has no intention to, assimilate and join in our celebration of multiculturalism.

Islam is an archaic culture embracing paedophilia, beheadings, severing of limbs, rape, incredible cruelty to animals, subjugation of women, sexual abuse of children and an innate, violent hatred of Christianity and democracy.

Everything we stand for, they stand against.

Anyone daring to challenge their beliefs is met with a death sentence in the name of their Allah.......

yes, aside from that though ................

oh yes, they are a drag on our economy

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Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority
Reply #48 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 6:25pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

So you would never use words like traitorous, scheming, plotting, etc to justify the mass slaughter of Jews? Only a Nazi would do that, right?

I would never use a phrase like "scheming jews". Do you understand why yet? And let it be known for the record that any use of that phrase, or any of its variations here, is entirely your invention.

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:19am:

In any case, why does it matter what excuse you offer?

What matters is that you cannot by any stretch of honesty claim that I am compelled by my religion to be an anti-semite.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #49 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 7:09pm

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I would never use a phrase like "scheming jews". Do you understand why yet? And let it be known for the record that any use of that phrase, or any of its variations here, is entirely your invention.

Sure I understand why. You don't want to sound like a Nazi. So you use words like plotting, traitorous, schmeming etc, but leave the word Jew of the end to make it sound politically correct. It must suck for Muslims that there are such negative connotations for people who excuse the historical slaughtering of Jews with that sort of stereotyping.

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What matters is that you cannot by any stretch of honesty claim that I am compelled by my religion to be an anti-semite.

You are compelled to insist that slaughtering Jews, kicking them out of their own home, telling them to convert or die, insisting that they even know you are their prophet, preaching that one day even the rocks and trees will help you slaughter Jews etc etc is not anti-semitic. Islam compels you to believe that within a few years of turning up to Medina, the local Jews were traitors to their own city-state and it was Muhamed's job to get rid of them, any way he can. Islam compels you to insist that the downfall of so many Jews was all their fault. Islam compels you to believe that the Jews even signed up for all of this. Islam compels you to believe that Muhammed and his early followers just happened to come across one nest of traitorous Jews after another, and that none of the mistreatment of Jews had anything to do with the fact that they tended not to convert to Islam and thus made up a significant non-islamic political power base in Arabia, which Muhammed wanted all to himself. Islam compels you to wave your arms in astonishment that there are now virtually no Jews left in Arabia. Islam compels you to insist that all the anti-Jewish hostility in the Koran and Hadith has nothing to do with anti-Jewish hostility among so many modern Muslims. It's all just a big misunderstanding isn't it? Either that, or it is all the Jews fault.

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority
Reply #50 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 8:00pm

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 7:09pm:

You are compelled to insist that blah blah blah

Keep putting thoughts into my head if it makes you feel better.

All I can do is keep repeating the fact that my personal beliefs are completely different to your demented idea of islam.

My religion is a religion of tolerance and non-bigotry and peace. You are of course free to ridicule this and call me a liar all you like. Become a Yadda drone and start telling everyone to google taqqiya if you think that will be constructive.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #51 - Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:46pm

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All I can do is keep repeating the fact that my personal beliefs are completely different to your demented idea of islam.

Is there anything I have suggested you insist that you do not in fact insist?

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My religion is a religion of tolerance and non-bigotry and peace.

Is that why you trot out war as an excuse for Muhammed robbing caravans and murdering traders? Is that why you trot out "not war" as an excuse for Muhammed slaughtering 800 Jewish POWs in one day?

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority Reply #52 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 8:52am freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 9:46pm: Is there anything I have suggested you insist that you do not in fact insist? Anything about my religion "compelling" me to be a racist.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49081 At my desk.	Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority Reply #53 - Apr 21^st, 2014 at 7:01pm Would you mind pointing out where I claimed your religion compelled you to be wacist?
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Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority
Reply #54 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 12:04am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 17^th, 2014 at 8:00pm:

My religion is a religion of tolerance and non-bigotry and peace.

You are of course free to ridicule this and call me a liar all you like. Become a Yadda drone and start telling everyone to google taqqiya if you think that will be constructive.

So gandalf, as a moslem, you do NOT dislike Jews,
1/ because they are Jewish,
OR,
2/ because they are not moslems ?

You only 'dislike' Zionist Jews, because those dastardly Zionist Jews are the oppressors of the oppressed Palestinian people, right ?

hehe, ....it is to laugh.

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ISLAMIC doctrine states that ALL JEWS MUST FIRST BE SLAUGHTERED - BY MOSLEMS, before they [moslems] can rule the world, and before judgement day can then come.

The never ending moslem ['Palestinian'] aggression and conflict against Israel, and Jews, is a part of that ISLAMIC paradigm.

"Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari 004.052.177

gandalf,

Is Bukhari an 'accredited' Hadith ?

Mohammed's final declaration on the status of Jews and Christians, re ISLAM;

"On his death-bed Allah's Apostle....said, "May Allah's Curse be on the Jews and the Christians....."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.056.660

A Study in Muslim Doctrine
"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden, insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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But it would be wholly unjust for any 'ignorant' person, to accuse ISLAM of encouraging religious bigotry!!!! Tongue

......just ask gandalf!!!!!!

Moslems are pure, and virtuous ! Tongue

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority
Reply #55 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:39pm

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 7:01pm:

Would you mind pointing out where I claimed your religion compelled you to be wacist?

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Islam compels you to do this. Islam compels you to be the anti-semite that Muhammed was.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1396769137/35#35

Is an anti-semite not a racist? No matter, replace "racist" with "anti-semite" then: I reject your claim that my religion compels me to be an anti-semite.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority
Reply #56 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 5:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 3:39pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 7:01pm:

Would you mind pointing out where I claimed your religion compelled you to be wacist?

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Islam compels you to do this. Islam compels you to be the anti-semite that Muhammed was.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1396769137/35#35

True, G, but that's not what FD meant. When he said Islam compells you to be an anti-semitic wacist, he meant it more like a magic spell.

As soon as you kiss that big black stone, your days as a Jew-loving peacenik are over. You've sold your soul to Muhammed - and don't you forget it!

Remember, when FD asks you to point out something he said, he doesn't mean it literally.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority Reply #57 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 6:26pm Karnal wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 5:25pm: Remember, when FD asks you to point out something he said, he doesn't mean it literally. Indeed - how silly of me.
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Reply #58 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 9:38pm

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Is an anti-semite not a racist? No matter, replace "racist" with "anti-semite" then: I reject your claim that my religion compels me to be an anti-semite.

Well I'm glad we got that sorted out. I was getting sick of explaining to you that Muhammed slaughtered Jews for political and religious reasons.

Is this anti-semitic?

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Again voicing the concerns of the Silent Majority Reply #59 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 9:53pm Do you think my religion "compels" me to hate jews because of that hadith FD? I'm so glad I have FD here telling me what are and what are not my own personal beliefs.
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