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Reply #30 - Apr 10^th, 2014 at 7:27pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 10^th, 2014 at 6:18pm:

True Colours wrote on Apr 10^th, 2014 at 10:54am:

Yadda why do you persist with the taqqiya bs?

Taqqiyya is not an Islamic practice.

Taqqiyya was invented by the Shi-ite cult's ayatollahs in Iran.

It is.

It is.

It is.

Is it?

You know, you really could have saved yourself the trouble of all those posts, Y, and just said that it is.

Three times.

FD Has offered us the comprehensive proof of Abu, so it simply must be true.

With your repetition and FD’s Abu proof, we’ve got the Muselman backed into a corner. It just feels like something is missing - but what?

Ah, of course - the old boy’s never-ever post.

It is it is it is. Abu said so. Always, absolutely, never ever.

Sleep well, habibis. Western civilization is in safe hands.

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Reply #31 - Apr 10^th, 2014 at 7:56pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

Is it?

You know, you really could have saved yourself the trouble of all those posts, Y, and just said that it is.

Three times.

FD Has offered us the comprehensive proof of Abu, so it simply must be true.

With your repetition and FD’s Abu proof, we’ve got the Muselman backed into a corner. It just feels like something is missing - but what?

Ah, of course - the old boy’s never-ever post.

It is it is it is. Abu said so. Always, absolutely, never ever.

Sleep well, habibis. Western civilization is in safe hands.

It is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is it is.

Karnal,

Excuse me.

What is it, that you are banging on about ?

O yes, it is. ....Taqiyya.

ISLAM is peace, Allah Akbar!

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4258/uk-jihadists-charity-workers
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The British media continues to label British Islamist volunteers who support jihadist movements in Syria as "charity workers."

No Taqiyya there!

Eh !

Taqiyya does not exist.

Moslems do not lie to us.

Moslems are not trying to destroy our society.

And Moslems love infidels and freedom, honest! Tongue

And lastly, ISLAM is peace, Allah Akbar!

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Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying
Reply #32 - Apr 10^th, 2014 at 8:05pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 10^th, 2014 at 7:27pm:

With your repetition and FD’s Abu proof, we’ve got the Muselman backed into a corner. It just feels like something is missing - but what?

Ah, of course - the old boy’s never-ever post.

It is it is it is. Abu said so. Always, absolutely, never ever.

on stilts.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #33 - Apr 11^th, 2014 at 11:30am

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

It was about your lengthy attempt to explain away as unimportant Malaysia's refusal to allow ethnic Malays to self identify as non-Muslim, and to imprison them in "rehabilitation camps" if they try. I even quoted it for you.

Yes we know FD - trying to draw a moral equivalence between two cases that couldn't be more different. No need to keep explaining.

When this systematic persecution in Burma leads to more riots, more massacres and more ethnic cleansing of Rohingya, I'll be sure to qualify any further commenting on it with a seering condemnation of the minor inconvenience suffered by one or two Malaysian apostates. You know, just so I'm not a hypocrite and all.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #35 - Apr 13^th, 2014 at 9:25am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 11^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

freediver wrote on Apr 10^th, 2014 at 6:09pm:

It was about your lengthy attempt to explain away as unimportant Malaysia's refusal to allow ethnic Malays to self identify as non-Muslim, and to imprison them in "rehabilitation camps" if they try. I even quoted it for you.

Yes we know FD - trying to draw a moral equivalence between two cases that couldn't be more different. No need to keep explaining.

When this systematic persecution in Burma leads to more riots, more massacres and more ethnic cleansing of Rohingya, I'll be sure to qualify any further commenting on it with a seering condemnation of the minor inconvenience suffered by one or two Malaysian apostates. You know, just so I'm not a hypocrite and all.

So you don't actually care about the right to self-identify? How many of these rehabilitation camps are there?

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Reply #36 - Apr 13^th, 2014 at 10:57am

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

So you don't actually care about the right to self-identify? How many of these rehabilitation camps are there?

I care about measures being put in place that are known to contribute to violence and massacres. I believe there have been maybe 4 or 5 actual cases total of people being sent to rehabilitation camps in Malaysia for abandoning islam - which constitutes a tiny minority of all apostasy cases. It is reprehensible, but there is clearly no moral equivalence between this and what is happening to the Rohingya.

You may as well be calling me a hypocritic jewish apologist for not mentioning the fact that apostates in Israel are also denied the right to self identify.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #37 - Apr 13^th, 2014 at 12:10pm

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I care about measures being put in place that are known to contribute to violence and massacres. I believe there have been maybe 4 or 5 actual cases total of people being sent to rehabilitation camps in Malaysia for abandoning islam - which constitutes a tiny minority of all apostasy cases.

Isn't that what apostasy is? How many rehabilitation camps are there?

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It is reprehensible, but there is clearly no moral equivalence between this and what is happening to the Rohingya.

If it is so reprehensible, why were you so dismissive of it previously? Do you only care about the right to self identify in morally equivalent cases?

I was not arguing moral equivalence. I was calling you a hypocrite, for expressing the opposite view on the right to self identify to what you did previously now that Muslims are on the receiving end.

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Reply #38 - Apr 13^th, 2014 at 12:40pm

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Isn't that what apostasy is?

Thats what I meant - the vast majority of apostates in Malaysia do not go to rehabilitation camps.

freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2014 at 12:10pm:

Do you only care about the right to self identify in morally equivalent cases?

Pretty much. I care far more about self identity cases that directly lead to violence and massacres than I do about cases that don't.

In case I am not being clear, my concern in this case is not self identity per se, its as I said earlier in the thread: "the institutionalised persecution and denial of rights of the Rohingya - of which this latest census episode is just another in a long line of systematic persecution of these people.". Self idntity "persecution" in Malaysia stops at the inconvenience of the courts not allowing a change on your identity card - and in exceptionally rare cases, being ordered to spend time at a rehabilitation camp. In Burma, self identity persecution extends to violent intimidation, local ethnic cleansing (accompanied by destruction of homes) and massacres in the hundreds. I condemn both, but I make no apologies for holding one as more of a concern than the other - and it is most certainly not hypocritical.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #39 - Apr 13^th, 2014 at 12:46pm

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Pretty much. I care far more about self identity cases that directly lead to violence and massacres than I do about cases that don't.

Can you explain the direct link from denying the right to self identify to massacres? Do the Burmese massacre Muslims because the UN left their ethnicity off a list of options?

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In case I am not being clear, my concern in this case is not self identity per se

That much is obvious, per se.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying Reply #40 - Apr 13^th, 2014 at 12:58pm freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2014 at 12:46pm: Can you explain the direct link from denying the right to self identify to massacres? I'm merely going off what the UN Special Rapporteur said. freediver wrote on Apr 13^th, 2014 at 12:46pm: the UN left their ethnicity off a list of options?
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Reply #42 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 7:35am

It makes perfect sense.

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The Special Rapporteur also expressed concern about the ongoing census in Myanmar: “The Government’s decision against self-identification of the Rohingya for the census is not in compliance with international human rights standards,” he stressed.

Self-identification for the Rohingya has been at the root of some protests in the past in Rakhine State that led to violence and human rights violations and abuses for which there is yet to be accountability. “The ongoing census risks this cycle repeating itself,” the expert said.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying Reply #43 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 8:40am Are you saying that because they are Muslims, it is inevitable that they will turn violent if they don't get what they want?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95430 Gender:	Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying Reply #44 - Apr 14^th, 2014 at 9:38am Yes, G, are you just trying to appease these violent Moslems? You answer FD's question.
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