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Apr 6^th, 2014 at 10:20pm

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Burma Census Wielded Against Rohingya

By Lindsay Murdoch, Fairfax SE Asia Correspondent
Wednesday, April 2, 2014
BANGKOK: A partly Australian-funded census has come under fire for discriminating against the Rohingya, a Muslim ethnic group at the heart of recent unrest in Burma (Myanmar).

Mob violence by nationalist Buddhists has blocked aid reaching the Rohingya in overcrowded refugee camps.

The United Nations agency conducting the first census in the country in 30 years says it is ''deeply concerned'' that the Rohingya, some of whom have lived in Myanmar for centuries, will be prevented from self-identifying as an ethnic group, violating international census standards.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #1 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 11:14pm

"Christians in Northwest Burma Cling to Faith Despite War, Persecution
Monday, March 17th, 2014

The Kachin people of Northern Burma are believed to be more than 90% Christian. For decades, they have been in a struggle for independence from the military dictatorship of Myanmar. As a part of that conflict, Christian Kachin have been targeted because of their faith. In the last major military assault, more than 60 churches were reportedly burned to the ground. As one observer points out in this article, Buddhist temples are left untouched."

Many more cited:
http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/asia/myanmar/

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Reply #2 - Apr 6^th, 2014 at 11:21pm

Bing search - muslim persecution of buddhists
http://www.bing.com/search?q=muslim+persecution+of+buddhists&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=m...

Muslim persecution of Buddhists in Myanmar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Buddhists#Myanmar

"The violence and long lasted tention was reignited on the 28th of May 2012, It was reported that daughter of U Hla Tin, of Thabyechaung Village named Ma Thida Htwe aged 27 was brutally raped then killed by three Muslim men. These men were later arrested.[54][55][56] On March 20, 2013, at about 9 in the morning U Khin Maung Win and Daw Aye Aye Naing came to New Weint Sein gold shop (Muslim-owned) to sell their gold comb. The Bangali-Muslim shop-owner and her elder sister slapped the Rakhine Buddhist couple. The Rohingya Muslim husband of the shop-owner Htun Htun Oo (a) Ar-shid and his employee Nyi Nyi came in and started hitting U Khin Maung Win with timber 2x4 pieces. They both were yelling out that the Rakhine Buddhist couple and their children were trying to rob their gold shop. As their Muslim relatives from other Rohingya gold shops nearby joined the brutal attack and bullied on the Rakhine family the bystanders started shouting at them to stop such unjust violence and they then called the police.[57]

At that day, a Buddhist monk from Hanzar village of One-dwin township had come into the Meiktila town as a passenger on a motorbike and they were unknowingly riding through the Da-hart-tan Muslim ward the biggest Muslim quarters in Meiktila. Already-agitated Muslims saw the Buddhist monk and chased the motorbike and managed to strike the Buddhist monk from behind with a sword and he fell to the ground from his pillion-riding position on the motorbike. He had a long deep gash on back of his head just above his left ear. Muslim mobs forcefully took off his robe and brutally dragged the direly-wounded Buddhist monk into the nearby Myo-ma Mosque. Once inside the mosque they poured acid and petrol all over the wounded Buddhist monk and burned him alive.[58] Burmese-Buddhist workers, Selayang in Malaysia were killed by Bengali-Muslims On May 30, 2013[59]"

http://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/category/persecution-of-buddhists/

"Afghanistan: a nation where converts to Buddhism and Christianity face death"
http://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/afghanistan-a-nation-where-co...

"Islamic terrorists kill more Buddhists in Southern Thailand"
http://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/islamic-terrorists-kill-more-...

"Buddhists Fear to Walk in Southern Thailand"
http://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/buddhists-fear-to-walk-in-sou...

"Islamic militants target Buddhists in Thailand "
http://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/islamic-militants-target-budd...

"Bangladesh and Pakistan: where minorities fear to walk "
http://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/bangladesh-and-pakistan-where...

"Islam: the ongoing Sunni Islamic inquisition"
http://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/islam-the-ongoing-sunni-islam...

"Islamic inquisition in Somalia and Southern Thailand"
http://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/islamic-inquisition-in-somali...

And more germane regarding forum Muslims:
"Islamic liberalism is a million times more dangerous than radical Islam"
http://islamicpersecution.wordpress.com/2011/06/09/islamic-liberalism-is-a-milli...

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Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying
Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2014 at 4:43pm

Pete Waldo wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 11:21pm:

Muslim persecution of Buddhists in Myanmar:

So under the heading "persecution of Buddhists in Myanmar", we have a grand total of two (albeit gruesome) murders and one assault.

Come on Pete, surely even you couldn't pass that off as "persecution of Buddhists" with a straight face - surely?

It is particularly spineless to bring up these 3 incidents as some attempt to answer the institutionalised persecution and denial of rights of the Rohingya - of which this latest census episode is just another in a long line of systematic persecution of these people.

And I'm not even mentioning the two massacres of Rohingya of between 100-200 people in 2001 and 2012, both accompanied by mass expulsions of Rohingya and the destruction of their homes.

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Reply #4 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 9:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 10:20pm:

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Burma Census Wielded Against Rohingya

By Lindsay Murdoch, Fairfax SE Asia Correspondent
Wednesday, April 2, 2014
BANGKOK: A partly Australian-funded census has come under fire for discriminating against the Rohingya, a Muslim ethnic group at the heart of recent unrest in Burma (Myanmar).

Mob violence by nationalist Buddhists has blocked aid reaching the Rohingya in overcrowded refugee camps.

The United Nations agency conducting the first census in the country in 30 years says it is ''deeply concerned'' that the Rohingya, some of whom have lived in Myanmar for centuries, will be prevented from self-identifying as an ethnic group, violating international census standards.

Let me guess. You were off onto the internet to find some examples of bad Muslims to fight, when you stumbled across this little gem. Realising that TC had mysteriously omitted it, you felt compelled to post it yourself.

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Reply #5 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 8:06am

Whats that all about FD? That was entirely un-called for. I have posted far more topics on "bad muslims" if you bothered to check.

The Rohingya issue has always been close to my heart, and deserves some much needed attention.

Do you have anything to say about the subject matter, or are you just going to focus on trolling individual posters?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying Reply #6 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 8:21pm Are they actually forbidden from self-identifying, like Malaysian apostates, or did some bureaucrat simply forget to put their religion on a survey?
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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying Reply #7 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 8:24pm freediver wrote on Apr 9^th, 2014 at 8:21pm: Are they actually forbidden from self-identifying, like Malaysian apostates, or did some bureaucrat simply forget to put their religion on a survey? Deflecting again FD?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying Reply #8 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 8:33pm I was just trying to get Gandy to notice what he posted.
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Reply #9 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 9:03pm

Gandy noticed what he posted. FD is pretending to be obtuse in order to derail this important topic (aka trolling).

From the United Nations:

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GENEVA (7 April 2014) – The United Nations Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in Myanmar, Tomás Ojea Quintana, today pressed the alarm bell on the further deterioration of the human rights situation in Rakhine State.

“Recent developments in Rakhine State are the latest in a long history of discrimination and persecution against the Rohingya community which could amount to crimes against humanity.” He warned that the evacuation of aid workers, following the recent attacks on UN and NGO premises in Sittwe, “will only increase the vulnerability of this community”.

“These workers were in Rakhine State providing essential life-saving support, including health services, water and food to internally displaced persons, isolated villages, and other affected communities,” he explained. “The withdrawal of these workers will have severe consequences on the enjoyment of fundamental human rights, including the right to life.”

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National census – further concerns

The Special Rapporteur also expressed concern about the ongoing census in Myanmar: “The Government’s decision against self-identification of the Rohingya for the census is not in compliance with international human rights standards,” he stressed.

Self-identification for the Rohingya has been at the root of some protests in the past in Rakhine State that led to violence and human rights violations and abuses for which there is yet to be accountability. “The ongoing census risks this cycle repeating itself,” the expert said.

“Self-identification should constitute a pillar of the collection of ethnically disaggregated data. It is related to respect for the rights of individuals to assert their own identity,” Mr. Ojea Quintana stated. “To deny self-identification is therefore a violation of human rights.”

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=14476&LangID=E

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Reply #10 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 9:46pm

You are a hypocrite Gandalf.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 10:26am:

freediver wrote on Jan 14^th, 2014 at 8:41pm:

Putting apostates into rehabilitation camps is not living in harmony. It is naked, vulgar oppression, and only a Muslim would even think to spin it any other way.

The number of actual rehabilitation camp cases can be counted on one hand. The fact is, as vulgar as they are, they only come up in cases where the person is attempting to "officialize" their apostasy - either by changing their identity card, or marrying a non-muslim - and to be clear, the vast majority of those cases do not result in rehabilitation camps. The reality is, it is a system that is easy to get around - get your husband to sign a paper saying they are muslim, or simply don't drag it through the courts insisting on an identity change. I'm not defending the system, but it is hardly "naked, vulgar oppression" in the scheme of things. And just to clarify, most apostates don't actually go to rehabilitation camps, they simply have their application to be legally recognised as a non-muslim rejected.

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Reply #11 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 10:01pm

Ah yes, I keep forgetting, its all about me. Like I said - attempting to derail this important topic. You will of course succeed - as you always do.

hypocrisy
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noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies

1.
the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.

claiming to oppose human rights abuses only to belittle an actual case of human rights abuse by trolling a discussion on it, is a good example of hypocrisy.

Do you actually have an opinion on the subject FD? Do you think its important to speak out against this case of systematic abuse? Are you concerned by the possibility of yet another massacre of Rohingya?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95430 Gender:	Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying Reply #12 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 10:03pm Google: Taqiyya.
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Reply #13 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 10:39pm

Israeli Jews are also denied the right to officially change their religion. FD won't be concerned at that though.

Proselytising to Jews is forbidden in Israel. Those who convert away from Judaism face trials such as forced mental health evaluations and having their children taken away from them.

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“They are giving me the runaround, sending me back and forth from office to office. They made me see a psychiatrist, to ‘make sure I wasn’t brainwashed.’ They did everything so that I would despair and return to Judaism,” one convert related.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3274735,00.html

Jews are not allowed to intermarry in Israel.

Non-Jewish holy sites are often bulldozed or even taken over by Jews to be run as synagogues.'

There are restrictions on where non-Jews can live in Israeli-occupied areas.

Muslims face restriction on visiting the most important mosque under Israeli-occupation.

Israel does not even recognise the conversion to Judaism by any person unless it is conducted by an Orthodox rabbi.

Women in Israel cannot get a divorce without their husband's approval.

Jewish women are prohibited from praying at Judaism's most holy site.

Israel has gender segregated public buses and sidewalks in certain areas.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying Reply #14 - Apr 9^th, 2014 at 11:31pm True Colours wrote on Apr 9^th, 2014 at 10:39pm: Jews are not allowed to intermarry in Israel. Bollocks.
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