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Reply #45 - Apr 21st, 2014 at 1:50pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 7th, 2014 at 4:43pm:
So under the heading "persecution of Buddhists in Myanmar", we have a grand total of two (albeit gruesome) murders and one assault.

It is particularly spineless to bring up these 3 incidents as some attempt to answer the institutionalised persecution and denial of rights of the Rohingya

And I'm not even mentioning the two massacres of Rohingya of between 100-200 people in 2001 and 2012, both accompanied by mass expulsions of Rohingya and the destruction of their homes.


The muslims have been persecuting the Buddhists for quite some time, i always think there are 3 sides to every story,in this case we have the Buddhists and the muslims with the truth being an independent 3rd side.

So why did the Buddhists wait so long to retaliate after this long list of incidents caused by muslims?
Scroll down page to find a long list of incidents where muslims target buddhists.
themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/the-innocent-and-persecuted-rohingya-mus...

The war criminal Bosnian Nasser Oric started the conflict with the Serbs then claimed they were the victims when the Serbs retaliated to muslim aggression, there is a pattern here with muslims starting trouble then claiming to be the victim when the other side fights back.

Gandalf- Do you think muslims and Islam have an ingrained victim mentality?
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Reply #46 - Apr 21st, 2014 at 6:55pm
 
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It is particularly spineless to bring up these 3 incidents as some attempt to answer the institutionalised persecution and denial of rights of the Rohingya


Would you say it is more or less spineless than your attempts to dismiss the institutionalised persecution and denial of rights to non-Muslims in Malaysia?

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Gandalf- Do you think muslims and Islam have an ingrained victim mentality?


Muhammed went from nothing to running a large military empire. The empire continued to spread rapidly after his death. At every step of the way, the Muslims were the victims and were merely defending themselves.
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Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying
Reply #47 - Apr 22nd, 2014 at 3:23pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 1:50pm:
The muslims have been persecuting the Buddhists for quite some time


The Rohingya in Burma are a vulnerable and impoverished minority, who are systematically persecuted and dehumanised. This has resulted in at least two major and by all accounts coordinated massacres and ethnic cleansings in the last 15 years. The idea that this minority is persecuting the privileged majority is pure fiction. And attempting to deflect the discussion by bringing up totaly unrelated episodes of persecution by muslims won't change this fact.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Re: Burma: Rohingya forbidden from self-identifying
Reply #48 - Apr 22nd, 2014 at 7:09pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22nd, 2014 at 3:23pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 1:50pm:
The muslims have been persecuting the Buddhists for quite some time


The Rohingya in Burma are a vulnerable and impoverished minority, who are systematically persecuted and dehumanised. This has resulted in at least two major and by all accounts coordinated massacres and ethnic cleansings in the last 15 years. The idea that this minority is persecuting the privileged majority is pure fiction. And attempting to deflect the discussion by bringing up totaly unrelated episodes of persecution by muslims won't change this fact.


Do you know the history of these muslims Gandalf?

From your diatribe I doubt it very much.

Why would you wish to kill the people who had accepted a group of seafarers that were  shipwrecked.

Why will other MUSLIM NATIONS not accept them into their fold as MUSLIMS.


 
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Reply #49 - Apr 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm
 
I see you are trying to justify the massacres and persecution of these people adamant. Thats your prerogative of course - but please don't come back and claim you are doing anything else.

Also, I would heartily support muslim nations taking them in. It will certainly require something as drastic as this if the apologists for persecution like yourself continue with your apologetics, and something akin to a "final solution" is carried out by the Rakhine mobs in close collusion with the Burmese authorities. You'll no doubt giving us a highly relevant lecture about "the history" while people are being massacred in their thousands.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #50 - Apr 22nd, 2014 at 7:51pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22nd, 2014 at 7:38pm:
I see you are trying to justify the massacres and persecution of these people adamant. Thats your prerogative of course - but please don't come back and claim you are doing anything else.

Also, I would heartily support muslim nations taking them in. It will certainly require something as drastic as this if the apologists for persecution like yourself continue with your apologetics, and something akin to a "final solution" is carried out by the Rakhine mobs in close collusion with the Burmese authorities. You'll no doubt giving us a highly relevant lecture about "the history" while people are being massacred in their thousands.


Well evaded Gandalf, no answer was the stern reply! I would have thought that Bangladesh would have enough room for them after "loosing" a couple of mill Hindu's, what say you?
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Reply #51 - Apr 22nd, 2014 at 8:03pm
 
So lets get this straight - if Bangladesh refuses to take them in, that makes the persecution and massacres by the Burmese ok does it?

Exactly what did you expect me to say about Bangladesh? Yes its bad if they don't protect them. But thanks for the strawman.
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Reply #52 - Apr 22nd, 2014 at 8:19pm
 
How can those Bangladeshis bear to watch these Muselmen suffer so? How awful they must be.

I blame Islam.

STOP THE BOATS.
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Reply #53 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 12:44pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22nd, 2014 at 8:03pm:
Exactly what did you expect me to say about Bangladesh



It's where they came from Gandalf, why don't they want to go home?
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Reply #54 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 5:59pm
 
Adamant wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:
It's where they came from Gandalf, why don't they want to go home?


The Rohingya living there today were born in Burma. Thats like saying I'm from Britain because my great-great grandfather was born there.
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Reply #55 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:22pm
 
If Thein Sein decided that Rohingya leaders had entered into negotiations with enemies of the state, would it be reasonable for him to execute every adult male Rohingya? Or does it only work if an angel tells you to?
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Reply #57 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:02pm
 
It must be hard for Muslims to stand up for the rights and freedoms of other people, who always just happen to be Muslims, when people keep noticing their hypocrisy.
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Reply #58 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:02pm:
It must be hard for Muslims to stand up for the rights and freedoms of other people, who always just happen to be Muslims, when people keep noticing their hypocrisy.


See also: almost every culture ever.

Oh my bad, only Muslim cultures are nepotistic, oops, carry on.
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #59 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:36pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 5:59pm:
Adamant wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 12:44pm:
It's where they came from Gandalf, why don't they want to go home?


The Rohingya living there today were born in Burma. Thats like saying I'm from Britain because my great-great grandfather was born there.


This generation born in Burma, perhaps. The last generation born in Bangladesh, following its War of Independence in 1971.

The generation before that born in East Pakistan, following partition in 1947.

And the generation before that born in the British colony of India. Before that, a succession of dynasties and kingdoms going back 2000 years.

Burma, or Myanmar, is equally up for dibs. Burma is a collection of ethnic tribes, held together by the agreements of warlords and various occupiers from the Japs to the British. The current occupiers, the SLORC generals, are existentially held together by various wars with the Shan and Karen peoples, and even the anti-Communist Chinese guerrillas, the Kuomintang.

The SLORC, paradoxically, are now allied with Communist China. Go figure. They were once funded by the CIA to do the exact opposite.

The entire region, from the Salween River in the Golden Triangle to the Indian Eastern frontier, is run by tribes, warlords and a handful of generals. Much of it is lawless. Most of it is inaccessable to tourists. Myanmar is only now opening its borders - its Thai land borders in November, 2013.

There are few patriots in these parts. Hardly anyone gets a passport, and elections are a joke. Religion and ethnicity is all anyone there has.

As some here call them - brown people, rubbish people, the tinted races.

Stop the boats indeed.
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