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Reply #15 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:31pm

I'd sack him too, in favour of an 18 year old shiela who can't get work because people like this old man refuse to retire.

Many older people hang on well past retirement age, even putting in unpaid over time "because they'd get bored otherwise" - This tends to be celebrated as a good thing - but nobody thinks about the 2 positions their actions keep younger people out of.

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Reply #16 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:40pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

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After returning from leave to part-time work in 2011 ...

He was a full-time employee, and they made a unilateral decision to make him a part-time worker.

Can't do that either.

This mob sound shonky as.

Depends how business was going. Maybe they could only afford him as a part-time waiter.

As for sacking at 65 ~ I whole-heartedly agree. In fact it should be law.

6% Unemployed ... with most of those being young fellows who can't get a start in life because greedy old bastards want to keep working past retirement age so they can pay off their third or fourth rental investment property.

Screw that.

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Reply #17 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:49pm

... wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

I'd sack him too, in favour of an 18 year old shiela who can't get work because people like this old man refuse to retire.

Exactly.

Old Bastards like him should be sent to work in the Chinatown laundries where the steam is so thick you can't see the walls of the laundry rooms, and the sweat pours off your face like a flushed toilet.

He wants to work beyond 65 to pay off his gambling debts to the local tong. No wonder he's in a panic. He doesn't want to end up on the Golden Dragon Chinese Restaurant menu as 'Our Special for Today: Sweet and Sour Pork with Fried Rice and Complimentary Coca Cola'.

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Reply #18 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 5:46pm

What a waste of resources...

not that I agree with what they did .... but blokes like Cheng Peng Lee & @ 80 yrs old SOB's mum should be home putting their feet up or out travelling the country if they are still active....

I certainly don't want to be working into my old age..... Krudd already extended my pension eligibility to 66.5 yrs old & people like this are only encouraging the likes of JOE HOCKALOOGIE to push it out to 70 for those younger than me.

It's good Lee got a pay out .... but he won't have his job back .... he should now take it easy.

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Rubin Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 493 Darwin Gender:	Re: We Will Sack You On Your 65th Birthday. Reply #19 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:28pm Bobby. wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 6:28am: It's strange how employers don't want older people - they have a lifetime of experience to offer - rather than some pimple faced kid just out of school. And a know it all attitude that sees them almost incapable of change or embracing new techniques or technology.
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Reply #20 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

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After returning from leave to part-time work in 2011 ...

He was a full-time employee, and they made a unilateral decision to make him a part-time worker.

Can't do that either.

This mob sound shonky as.

Depends how business was going. Maybe they could only afford him as a part-time waiter.

It doesn't matter how business was going.

An employer can not legally make a unilateral decision to change an employee's status from full-time to part-time.

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Reply #21 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:51pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

Quote:

After returning from leave to part-time work in 2011 ...

He was a full-time employee, and they made a unilateral decision to make him a part-time worker.

Can't do that either.

This mob sound shonky as.

Depends how business was going. Maybe they could only afford him as a part-time waiter.

It doesn't matter how business was going.

An employer can not legally make a unilateral decision to change an employee's status from full-time to part-time.

I'm actually working with HR now to see how we can do this and in what countries actually.
It's a bit of a minefield but I think it can be done.

Australia will be harder clearly so we might need to try a different route if needed there.

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Reply #22 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:56pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

Quote:

After returning from leave to part-time work in 2011 ...

He was a full-time employee, and they made a unilateral decision to make him a part-time worker.

Can't do that either.

This mob sound shonky as.

Depends how business was going. Maybe they could only afford him as a part-time waiter.

It doesn't matter how business was going.

An employer can not legally make a unilateral decision to change an employee's status from full-time to part-time.

I'm actually working with HR now to see how we can do this and in what countries actually.
It's a bit of a minefield but I think it can be done.

Australia will be harder clearly so we might need to try a different route if needed there.

Redundancy.

Make the full-time position redundant, pay out all redundancy entitlements, and then offer the employee a new contract as a part-time worker.

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Reply #24 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

Quote:

After returning from leave to part-time work in 2011 ...

He was a full-time employee, and they made a unilateral decision to make him a part-time worker.

Can't do that either.

This mob sound shonky as.

Depends how business was going. Maybe they could only afford him as a part-time waiter.

It doesn't matter how business was going.

An employer can not legally make a unilateral decision to change an employee's status from full-time to part-time.

I'm actually working with HR now to see how we can do this and in what countries actually.
It's a bit of a minefield but I think it can be done.

Australia will be harder clearly so we might need to try a different route if needed there.

Redundancy.

Make the full-time position redundant, pay out all redundancy entitlements, and then offer the employee a new contract as a part-time worker.

Yes, thats obviously one way. It depends though on the redundancy costs in the particular country.
It might prove too costly.

Our JV in India can just fire people without notice you know.

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Reply #25 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 8:05pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

I'm actually working with HR now to see how we can do this and in what countries actually.
It's a bit of a minefield but I think it can be done.

Australia will be harder clearly so we might need to try a different route if needed there.

Just have a restructure

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Reply #26 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 8:07pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

Quote:

After returning from leave to part-time work in 2011 ...

He was a full-time employee, and they made a unilateral decision to make him a part-time worker.

Can't do that either.

This mob sound shonky as.

Depends how business was going. Maybe they could only afford him as a part-time waiter.

It doesn't matter how business was going.

An employer can not legally make a unilateral decision to change an employee's status from full-time to part-time.

I'm actually working with HR now to see how we can do this and in what countries actually.
It's a bit of a minefield but I think it can be done.

Australia will be harder clearly so we might need to try a different route if needed there.

Redundancy.

Make the full-time position redundant, pay out all redundancy entitlements, and then offer the employee a new contract as a part-time worker.

Yes, thats obviously one way. It depends though on the redundancy costs in the particular country.
It might prove too costly.

Our JV in India can just fire people without notice you know.

Redundancy entitlements in Australia.

http://www.fairwork.gov.au/Termination/redundancy/Pages/how-much-redundancy-pay

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Reply #27 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 8:15pm

muso wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 8:05pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

I'm actually working with HR now to see how we can do this and in what countries actually.
It's a bit of a minefield but I think it can be done.

Australia will be harder clearly so we might need to try a different route if needed there.

Just have a restructure

We have re-structures almost every quarter as it is. We're as bad as GE at times.
The strategic plan is to move away from re-structuring divisions often because it gives the impression to shareholders we dont know what the company should look like! Cheesy

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Reply #28 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 8:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 8:07pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:56pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 8^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

Quote:

After returning from leave to part-time work in 2011 ...

He was a full-time employee, and they made a unilateral decision to make him a part-time worker.

Can't do that either.

This mob sound shonky as.

Depends how business was going. Maybe they could only afford him as a part-time waiter.

It doesn't matter how business was going.

An employer can not legally make a unilateral decision to change an employee's status from full-time to part-time.

I'm actually working with HR now to see how we can do this and in what countries actually.
It's a bit of a minefield but I think it can be done.

Australia will be harder clearly so we might need to try a different route if needed there.

Redundancy.

Make the full-time position redundant, pay out all redundancy entitlements, and then offer the employee a new contract as a part-time worker.

Yes, thats obviously one way. It depends though on the redundancy costs in the particular country.
It might prove too costly.

Our JV in India can just fire people without notice you know.

Redundancy entitlements in Australia.

http://www.fairwork.gov.au/Termination/redundancy/Pages/how-much-redundancy-pay

I'm aware of that. Some people though are on contracts which are more beneficial than that.
Nonetheless we have a consulting company on it.

Australia - to be honest - isnt really an issue, it is light on headcount and tends to be ex-pat workers on seconded deals for the exporting of gas etc.

Europe is the bigger problem because of all the bloody social structure laws etc.

Do you know its near on impossible to remove a poor performer in France. In some cases you need a court decision!!!

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Reply #29 - Apr 8^th, 2014 at 8:33pm

Geesus ... Andrei has an ally in greggory Roll Eyes

"How to shaft people for Dummies"

What do 2 iceholes together make?

A Martini or mega sphincter?

Tell me when you remove all the deadwood in one year....

who is the deadwood in the restructure the year after & the year after when all the deadwood was supposed to be removed 2 years previous?

People who work in HR being toecutters like you are dead set without conscience.

Before long their will be no one to remove & your job will be on the line ..... then justice will be served.

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