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Apr 8th, 2014 at 9:51pm
 
0ktema wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
True Colours wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Saudi has nearly total 80,000 Iraqi refugees and 300,000 Palestinian refugees in their population, which is by far more than Australia's total refugee population. Yet Saudi has fewer citizens than Australia.


Saudi Arabia is helping to fund the Syrian refugee camps in Jordan:

On top of this Saudi donates hundredss of millions of dollars to help fund refugee camps in other countries:

Saudi Aid for Refugees in Africa


SAUDI ARABIA CONTRIBUTES US$ 10M FOR PALESTINE REFUGEES FROM SYRIA

On a per capita basis Saudi Arabia is the biggest donator of foreign aid in the world!




I can't find any information regarding the 300,000 Palestinian refugees you claim to be in Saudi Arabia ... do you have a link?



Yes. Here is a link about the 291,000 Palestinian refugees in Saudi.

http://www.indexmundi.com/saudi_arabia/refugees_and_internally_displaced_persons...

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Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:17pm
 
Why wouldn't there be?  They're geographically close and culturally similar.
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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:42pm
 
... wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:17pm:
Why wouldn't there be?  They're geographically close and culturally similar. 


That’s like saying we’re kulturally similar to the nation of Tevalu.

After all, we both sing Christmas carols and share the Union Jack in the left hand corner of our flags.

Saudi Arabia has one of the largest known reserves of oil. Palestine has one of the largest reserves of dates.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:48pm
 
Culturally similar = they're all dirty, dusky musulmen.
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Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:50pm
 
True Colours wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 9:51pm:
0ktema wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
True Colours wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Saudi has nearly total 80,000 Iraqi refugees and 300,000 Palestinian refugees in their population, which is by far more than Australia's total refugee population. Yet Saudi has fewer citizens than Australia.


Saudi Arabia is helping to fund the Syrian refugee camps in Jordan:

On top of this Saudi donates hundredss of millions of dollars to help fund refugee camps in other countries:

Saudi Aid for Refugees in Africa


SAUDI ARABIA CONTRIBUTES US$ 10M FOR PALESTINE REFUGEES FROM SYRIA

On a per capita basis Saudi Arabia is the biggest donator of foreign aid in the world!




I can't find any information regarding the 300,000 Palestinian refugees you claim to be in Saudi Arabia ... do you have a link?



Yes. Here is a link about the 291,000 Palestinian refugees in Saudi.

http://www.indexmundi.com/saudi_arabia/refugees_and_internally_displaced_persons...



Ok. So many of these 291,000 Palestinian refugees have been in Saudi Arabia since the 1948 Arab–Israeli War and the rest are there decedents is this correct?

And how many of the 80,000 Iraqi refugees who fled First Gulf War are there still living in Saudi Arabia? 
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Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:56pm
 
... wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:48pm:
Culturally similar = they're all dirty, dusky musulmen.


Maybe, but they’re all from different dirty, dusky tribes.

You’d never know, of course, but they seem to place a lot of importance on it.

Saudis do their shopping at Harrods. Palestinians swarm and haggle at the local market.

Rich tapestry, innit.
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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:00pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:56pm:
... wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:48pm:
Culturally similar = they're all dirty, dusky musulmen.


Maybe, but they’re all from different dirty, dusky tribes.

You’d never know, of course, but they seem to place a lot of importance on it.



You don't say?  You wouldn't get any of that sort of division here - were all one big happy tribe.
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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:05pm
 
... wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:00pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:56pm:
... wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:48pm:
Culturally similar = they're all dirty, dusky musulmen.


Maybe, but they’re all from different dirty, dusky tribes.

You’d never know, of course, but they seem to place a lot of importance on it.



You don't say?  You wouldn't get any of that sort of division here - were all one big happy tribe.


Oh, there’s no division in the multicultural nation of Israel either.

As long as you know all the songs from Fiddler on the Roof.
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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:12pm
 
True Colours wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 9:51pm:
0ktema wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
True Colours wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Saudi has nearly total 80,000 Iraqi refugees and 300,000 Palestinian refugees in their population, which is by far more than Australia's total refugee population. Yet Saudi has fewer citizens than Australia.


Saudi Arabia is helping to fund the Syrian refugee camps in Jordan:

On top of this Saudi donates hundredss of millions of dollars to help fund refugee camps in other countries:

Saudi Aid for Refugees in Africa


SAUDI ARABIA CONTRIBUTES US$ 10M FOR PALESTINE REFUGEES FROM SYRIA

On a per capita basis Saudi Arabia is the biggest donator of foreign aid in the world!




I can't find any information regarding the 300,000 Palestinian refugees you claim to be in Saudi Arabia ... do you have a link?



Yes. Here is a link about the 291,000 Palestinian refugees in Saudi.

http://www.indexmundi.com/saudi_arabia/refugees_and_internally_displaced_persons...





Bollocks



http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e486976.html

ANd that 70,000 are not Palestinians:
The UN estimates that there are 70,000 stateless people in Saudi Arabia, most of them descended from nomadic tribes whose traditional territory included parts of several countries. Their legal limbo makes it harder for them to receive government benefits.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/saudi-arabia-riyadh-poverty-inequal...



Your source:
http://www.indexmundi.com/about.html
The Team
Miguel Barrientos, Founder: Miguel is an accomplished technologist with extensive experience in the business intelligence and data warehousing sectors. Prior to launching IndexMundi, Miguel helped multiple Fortune 500 companies design and implement large-scale data analysis systems. Miguel holds MS and BS degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Claudia Soria, Co-Founder: Claudia is a serial entrepreneur with broad experience launching and managing online ventures. Prior to working on IndexMundi, Claudia built and managed Bolivia Web, a popular site for people interested in Bolivia. She also launched and ran Adventia, a software company focused on developing online chat solutions. Claudia holds a BS degree in Economics.
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Reply #9 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:16pm
 
True Colours wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 9:51pm:
Saudi has nearly total 80,000 Iraqi refugees and 300,000 Palestinian refugees in their population, which is by far more than Australia's total refugee population. Yet Saudi has fewer citizens than Australia.


Since seem to be talking about total refugee intake in rather an historical maner (in the case of the Palestinian refugees)  ... the following may come as a surprise to you ...  Since the modern Refugee and Humanitarian Program began in 1977, Australia has received 392,538 offshore refugee and humanitarian entrants and has issued 42,714 onshore protection visas.

... According to the best estimates available, 2009-10 was the year in which Australia, since becoming an independent nation, passed the 750,000 mark in its intake of refugees and humanitarian entrants.

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After the war, a much larger refugee program was commenced as Australia launched an ambitious immigration program to meet labour shortages in a growing economy. In July 1947, the Australian Government entered into an agreement with the new International Refugee Organisation to settle displaced people from camps in Europe. In the next seven years, Australia welcomed more than 170,000 refugees, the largest groups being from Poland, Yugoslavia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Ukraine, Czechoslovakia and Hungary.
To meet the needs of the refugees and other migrants, ship-board English classes were established (the precursor of the modern Adult Migrant English Program), army camps were converted to migrant hostels for on-arrival accommodation and the Good Neighbour Council was established to foster and coordinate volunteer settlement support. In the following two decades, the overwhelming majority of refugees were Eastern Europeans fleeing persecution in Soviet Bloc countries. Numbers of humanitarian arrivals increased substantially after the crushing of the Hungarian Revolution in 1956 and the Warsaw Pact countries’ invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. In the early 1970s, the refugee intake began to diversify. In 1972, 198 Asians expelled by Uganda’s President Idi Amin were settled. Humanitarian settlement from Chile commenced the following year after a military coup deposed the Allende Government. Cypriot refugees began arriving after the Turkish invasion of Northern Cyprus in 1974 and the 1975 war in East Timor brought 2,500 evacuees to Darwin, marking the beginning of a Timorese refugee diaspora in Australia.

The fall of the South Vietnamese Government in Saigon in April 1975 began a chain of events which prompted a rethinking and reorganisation of Australia’s refugee program. The mass flight of Vietnamese refugees into nearby countries prompted an international response to which Australia committed support. By late 1975, the first 400 Vietnamese refugees had been selected by Australia for resettlement from camps in Guam, Hong Kong, Singapore and Malaysia. Over the next two decades, Australia was to resettle more than 100,000 Vietnamese refugees from various Asian countries. Only a small proportion, around 2000, came directly to Australia by boat to seek asylum. The first to arrive were five Vietnamese refugees who reached Darwin Harbour in a 17 metre fishing vessel. Another 55 boats followed in the ensuing six years.

In the early 1980s, the refugee program expanded to an annual intake of up to 22,000, the largest annual intake in 30 years and a level not seen since. Vietnamese refugees settled from camps in Asia made up the bulk of new arrivals, with significant numbers of refugees also from Laos, Cambodia and Eastern Europe and smaller groups of Soviet Jews, Chileans, El Salvadorians, Cubans and members of ethnic minorities from Iraq (Assyrians, Armenians and Chaldeans).

A milestone in Australia’s refugee intake: 750,000 since Federation

According to the best estimates available, 2009-10 was the year in which Australia, since becoming an independent nation, passed the 750,000 mark in its intake of refugees and humanitarian entrants. From Federation in 1901 until 1948, no official statistics were kept of refugee settlement. However, research published by the Australian Parliamentary Library estimated that Australia received 20,000 refugees in this period. From July 1948 to June 1977, Australia received 269,266 assisted humanitarian arrivals, as well as another 33,000 unassisted humanitarian arrivals, according to DIAC estimates. Since the modern Refugee and Humanitarian Program began in 1977, Australia has received 392,538 offshore refugee and humanitarian entrants and has issued 42,714 onshore protection visas.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/f/rhp-hist.php

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Reply #10 - Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:06am
 
Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:12pm:
True Colours wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 9:51pm:
0ktema wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 7:02pm:
True Colours wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 5:41pm:
Saudi has nearly total 80,000 Iraqi refugees and 300,000 Palestinian refugees in their population, which is by far more than Australia's total refugee population. Yet Saudi has fewer citizens than Australia.


Saudi Arabia is helping to fund the Syrian refugee camps in Jordan:

On top of this Saudi donates hundredss of millions of dollars to help fund refugee camps in other countries:

Saudi Aid for Refugees in Africa


SAUDI ARABIA CONTRIBUTES US$ 10M FOR PALESTINE REFUGEES FROM SYRIA

On a per capita basis Saudi Arabia is the biggest donator of foreign aid in the world!




I can't find any information regarding the 300,000 Palestinian refugees you claim to be in Saudi Arabia ... do you have a link?



Yes. Here is a link about the 291,000 Palestinian refugees in Saudi.

http://www.indexmundi.com/saudi_arabia/refugees_and_internally_displaced_persons...





Bollocks



http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49e486976.html

ANd that 70,000 are not Palestinians:
The UN estimates that there are 70,000 stateless people in Saudi Arabia, most of them descended from nomadic tribes whose traditional territory included parts of several countries. Their legal limbo makes it harder for them to receive government benefits.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/saudi-arabia-riyadh-poverty-inequal...



Your source:
http://www.indexmundi.com/about.html
The Team
Miguel Barrientos, Founder: Miguel is an accomplished technologist with extensive experience in the business intelligence and data warehousing sectors. Prior to launching IndexMundi, Miguel helped multiple Fortune 500 companies design and implement large-scale data analysis systems. Miguel holds MS and BS degrees from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Claudia Soria, Co-Founder: Claudia is a serial entrepreneur with broad experience launching and managing online ventures. Prior to working on IndexMundi, Claudia built and managed Bolivia Web, a popular site for people interested in Bolivia. She also launched and ran Adventia, a software company focused on developing online chat solutions. Claudia holds a BS degree in Economics.


OK, so you don't like Claudia. Do you like Jimmy?

Quote:
The countries outside the Palestinian territories with significant Palestinian populations are:


...Saudi Arabia 280,245

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_diaspora



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Reply #11 - Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:14am
 
0ktema wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

... According to the best estimates available, 2009-10 was the year in which Australia, since becoming an independent nation, passed the 750,000 mark in its intake of refugees and humanitarian entrants.


Yes, but presumably many of them have died since 1901, and many have probably even returned to their own countries.

More of us leave the Lucky Country for good

http://www.smh.com.au/national/more-of-us-leave-the-lucky-country-for-good-20121...

Apparently people born overseas are more likely to leave Australia.

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Reply #12 - Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:19am
 
True Colours wrote on Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:14am:
0ktema wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

... According to the best estimates available, 2009-10 was the year in which Australia, since becoming an independent nation, passed the 750,000 mark in its intake of refugees and humanitarian entrants.


Yes, but presumably many of them have died since 1901, and many have probably even returned to their own countries.


You seem to have conveniently ignored the fact that  ... Quote:
Since the modern Refugee and Humanitarian Program began in 1977, Australia has received 392,538 offshore refugee and humanitarian entrants and has issued 42,714 onshore protection visas.


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Reply #13 - Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:22am
 
0ktema wrote on Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:19am:
True Colours wrote on Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:14am:
0ktema wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

... According to the best estimates available, 2009-10 was the year in which Australia, since becoming an independent nation, passed the 750,000 mark in its intake of refugees and humanitarian entrants.


Yes, but presumably many of them have died since 1901, and many have probably even returned to their own countries.


You seem to have conveniently ignored the fact that  ... Quote:
Since the modern Refugee and Humanitarian Program began in 1977, Australia has received 392,538 offshore refugee and humanitarian entrants and has issued 42,714 onshore protection visas.




But how many are still here?
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Reply #14 - Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:32am
 
True Colours wrote on Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:22am:
0ktema wrote on Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:19am:
True Colours wrote on Apr 9th, 2014 at 12:14am:
0ktema wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:16pm:

... According to the best estimates available, 2009-10 was the year in which Australia, since becoming an independent nation, passed the 750,000 mark in its intake of refugees and humanitarian entrants.


Yes, but presumably many of them have died since 1901, and many have probably even returned to their own countries.


You seem to have conveniently ignored the fact that  ... Quote:
Since the modern Refugee and Humanitarian Program began in 1977, Australia has received 392,538 offshore refugee and humanitarian entrants and has issued 42,714 onshore protection visas.




But how many are still here?


The vast majority I would think.

Australia is a pretty good place to live, and I imagine that's why you yourself haven't emigrated to sum sort of glorious predominantly Muslim country ...  Roll Eyes
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