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Apr 15th, 2014 at 10:48am
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/christian-protesters-arrested-a...

Someone has to have the guts to stand up and start protesting, because let's face it Aussies are too defeatist and submissive to do it (besides they actually condone what is being done by  'their' government).

Christianity, being one of the last representations of what are now dying patriarchal values, is our only hope as a vector for patriotism?

Consider for example how superior the Exclusive Brethren are compared to the regular Aussie 'culture'.  And their world leader is actually an Australian.

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Brethren run private schools for their children between the ages of 11 and 17. Members are not allowed to attend university because of the campus environment.[23] In 2005 David Bell, the Chief Inspector of Schools in England, praised the Brethren schools for their standard of teaching and said in his report that "the quality of teaching, most of which is done by experienced practitioners, is generally good.

Business

Typically Brethren either own their own business or work for a business run by another Brethren member. Their businesses include manufacturing, distribution and sales, including in the fields of clothing, architecture, rehabilitation aids and food and the import and resale of industrial hardware including welding equipment and consumables.[19] Trade unions are not permitted and the Brethren have even successfully fought regulations which permit unions to visit workplaces to talk to employees."

Yes it does look like the Christians are our last hope for the salvation of a nation.

So, Go Chelsea! (Chelsea Pietsch, that is):

http://www.acl.org.au/2012/12/chelsea-pietsch-on-the-political-spot-2/



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Reply #1 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 11:02am
 
GA wrote on Apr 15th, 2014 at 10:48am:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/christian-protesters-arrested-after-sitin-at-julie-bishops-perth-office/story-fn59niix-1226883939066

Someone has to have the guts to stand up and start protesting, because let's face it Aussies are too defeatist and submissive to do it (they actually condone what is being done by  'their' government).

Christianity, being one of the last representations of what are now dying patriarchal values, is our only hope as a vector for patriotism?

Consider for example how superior the Exclusive Brethren are compared to the regular Aussie 'culture'.  Their world leader is an Australian.

Wiki:

"Education

Brethren run private schools for their children between the ages of 11 and 17. Members are not allowed to attend university because of the campus environment.[23] In 2005 David Bell, the Chief Inspector of Schools in England, praised the Brethren schools for their standard of teaching and said in his report that "the quality of teaching, most of which is done by experienced practitioners, is generally good.

Business

Typically Brethren either own their own business or work for a business run by another Brethren member. Their businesses include manufacturing, distribution and sales, including in the fields of clothing, architecture, rehabilitation aids and food and the import and resale of industrial hardware including welding equipment and consumables.[19] Trade unions are not permitted and the Brethren have even successfully fought regulations which permit unions to visit workplaces to talk to employees."

Yes it does look like the Christians are our last hope for the salvation of a nation.

So, Go Chelsea! (Chelsea Pietsch, that is):

http://www.acl.org.au/2012/12/chelsea-pietsch-on-the-political-spot-2/





Are you in agreement with the Brethren or against?

Frankly I find the thought that christianity being our last hope of patriotism a pretty sickening concept.
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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 11:38am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Apr 15th, 2014 at 11:02am:
GA wrote on Apr 15th, 2014 at 10:48am:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/christian-protesters-arrested-after-sitin-at-julie-bishops-perth-office/story-fn59niix-1226883939066

Someone has to have the guts to stand up and start protesting, because let's face it Aussies are too defeatist and submissive to do it (they actually condone what is being done by  'their' government).

Christianity, being one of the last representations of what are now dying patriarchal values, is our only hope as a vector for patriotism?

Consider for example how superior the Exclusive Brethren are compared to the regular Aussie 'culture'.  Their world leader is an Australian.

Wiki:

"Education

Brethren run private schools for their children between the ages of 11 and 17. Members are not allowed to attend university because of the campus environment.[23] In 2005 David Bell, the Chief Inspector of Schools in England, praised the Brethren schools for their standard of teaching and said in his report that "the quality of teaching, most of which is done by experienced practitioners, is generally good.

Business

Typically Brethren either own their own business or work for a business run by another Brethren member. Their businesses include manufacturing, distribution and sales, including in the fields of clothing, architecture, rehabilitation aids and food and the import and resale of industrial hardware including welding equipment and consumables.[19] Trade unions are not permitted and the Brethren have even successfully fought regulations which permit unions to visit workplaces to talk to employees."

Yes it does look like the Christians are our last hope for the salvation of a nation.

So, Go Chelsea! (Chelsea Pietsch, that is):

http://www.acl.org.au/2012/12/chelsea-pietsch-on-the-political-spot-2/





Are you in agreement with the Brethren or against?


They're not perfect, but otherwise they are doing a great job. And if it weren't for what is a prerequisite necessary as part of their success, the exclusivity factor , they would eventually supersede the regular culture that is 'Aussie'.   

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Frankly I find the thought that christianity being our last hope of patriotism a pretty sickening concept.


There are two obstacles (I believe) standing in the way of implementing patriotism, these are 'Nationalism' and the 'feminization' process. The nationalists obstruct patriots by default, due to their existence mostly. Whereas the 'X' factor is actively opposed to any representation of the 'Y', which includes all values perceived as being in any way patriarchal. Patriotism, as the term suggests, is one of these. Christianity, incidentally is another ( so there would be a mutual benefit involved).
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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 11:40am
 
Mmmm, not completely batshit crazy just tending towards it.
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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 12:07pm
 
I do not agree with the beliefs and values of Exclusive Brethrens. 

- First the very definition of exclusivity is not what Christians should behave.  We should be more inclusive, more tolerant.  And when somebody slaps on your cheek, you give the other one.  To love your neighbours etc.   We should not have the mentality of "US" the good, Vs "Others" the evil.
- Restrictions of individual freedom is against the principle of liberalism.   Who are they to determine what sort of dress code a girl can or cannot wear?  Why are they restricting the educational opportunties of their young ones?   I heard that the member even had to buy their computers from their designated supplier and often at hugely inflated prices. 
- The more you read into the organizations like EB, the more you find one thing in common.  And that is CONTROL.  Control of fertility, control of member's free thoughts and control of man power.
- And you may find their leaders say: Oh members can leave at anytime - which usually dont end very well for the said member.
- This kind of society is regressive, and doomed to fail from the start. 

And furthermore, there are generaly two kinds of people that join things like EB:
1) The sheeps - the majority.  Who are kind hearted, and willing to be lead.   They generally your nice next door neighbours, and would never hurt anything.   
2) The wolves in sheep skins - the minority.  Who are usually appeared kind hearted at first.  But generally uses their hierarchal system for their own advantage - anything from dodge business to empty sense of self righteousness. 
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Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 12:13pm
 
Philosophy and ethics could have filled the void of religion but it sadly hasn't. There are many great writings that provide an excellent perspective and explanation for core values we all hold, while using the same approach to go one step further and question our current culture.
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Reply #6 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 12:17pm
 
The Exclusive Brethren are a dishonest and secretive organisation.

Despite their "exclusiveness", they have interfered politically on both sides of the Tasman and tried to keep it secret.

They need to be watched very carefully.
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Reply #7 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 12:32pm
 
Doesn't the Exclusive Brethren dictate that their members can't vote in government elections? So they don't believe in democracy and take a dictatorial approach to those who are members.

If the Exclusive Brethren is so anti-society, why don't they buy an island and all just live there?
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Reply #8 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 12:57pm
 

I had the EB under the blanket of 'Cult'.

Christianity is a nonpolitical movement. By Jesus's teachings.
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Reply #9 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 1:02pm
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 1:06pm
 
The Exclusive Bretheren are as close as anyone would want to get to a "Cult".

If that's going to be our only saving grace then I'll take the trip

down the tubes.

EB, Jehovas, Mormons & 7 Day Adventers....... all similar dictatorial sects/cults.
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Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 2:35pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Apr 15th, 2014 at 12:07pm:
I do not agree with the beliefs and values of Exclusive Brethrens. 

- First the very definition of exclusivity is not what Christians should behave.  We should be more inclusive, more tolerant.  And when somebody slaps on your cheek, you give the other one.  To love your neighbours etc.   We should not have the mentality of "US" the good, Vs "Others" the evil.


It's all about their survival. When the EB exclude 'us', they're (effectively) excluding most of our evil. So it's not just something that we should be taking personally. Maybe part of the gripe is that they are also rejecting the 'ideology' that is feminism? If so, then don't worry to much, because as long as they allow even the slightest access to the outside world, the femminization process will eventually override all of their values regardless.

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- Restrictions of individual freedom is against the principle of liberalism. 


It is, but liberalism is one person's values, not everyone's (obviously conservatives aren't bound by its rules).
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 Who are they to determine what sort of dress code a girl can or cannot wear? 


Once again it's to do with survival. If we allow no distinctions to be made, then by default we become vulnerable. For example women and men have dressed differently for thousands of years, abandon this as a 'rule' then there must be a degree of risk created. So it's a bit of a gamble 'we' are taking and although there have been gains, it does now look like we starting to lose.  And their dress code applies to the men as well (they're not allowed to wear shorts etc.)

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Why are they restricting the educational opportunties of their young ones?   I heard that the member even had to buy their computers from their designated supplier and often at hugely inflated prices. 
- The more you read into the organizations like EB, the more you find one thing in common.  And that is CONTROL.  Control of fertility, control of member's free thoughts and control of man power.
- And you may find their leaders say: Oh members can leave at anytime - which usually dont end very well for the said member.
- This kind of society is regressive, and doomed to fail from the start. 

And furthermore, there are generally two kinds of people that join things like EB:
1) The sheeps - the majority.  Who are kind hearted, and willing to be lead.   They generally your nice next door neighbours, and would never hurt anything.   
2) The wolves in sheep skins - the minority.  Who are usually appeared kind hearted at first.  But generally uses their hierarchal system for their own advantage - anything from dodge business to empty sense of self righteousness. 


Sure, but even if you were right about most of what you've said whose rules do we follow.  If it's Nature's then there is no rule that says anything about 'equality'. If it's God's then much the same applies. 'Equality' is a vector for control by the left (which is in itself a representation of our X chromosome) consequently it's hardly something that can be represented as being 'fair'. 

As for the EB themselves, allowing for the current trend, they will be renaming themselves the 'IS' (Inclusive Sisteren) sometime within the next 100 years.
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Reply #12 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 3:27pm
 
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It's all about their survival. When the EB exclude 'us', they're (effectively) excluding most of our evil. So it's not just something that we should be taking personally. Maybe part of the gripe is that they are also rejecting the 'ideology' that is feminism? If so, then don't worry to much, because as long as they allow even the slightest access to the outside world, the femminization process will eventually override all of their values regardless.


No, I dont take it personally.  I merely disagree with their complicated set of belief and control system.  They call themselves Christians.  But its really against Jesus teaching to be 'exclusive'.  Their so called "rules" were made by man to futher their own agenda, and hardly a beacon of salvation for a nation, or a vector of patriotism.   In addition, what do you mean by "feminization" and ideology of feminism in this case?  Please clarify.

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Once again it's to do with survival. If we allow no distinctions to be made, then by default we become vulnerable. For example women and men have dressed differently for thousands of years, abandon this as a 'rule' then there must be a degree of risk created. So it's a bit of a gamble 'we' are taking and although there have been gains, it does now look like we starting to lose.  And their dress code applies to the men as well (they're not allowed to wear shorts etc.)


But society is ever changing.  What was considered acceptable in the past, does not necessary mean it is acceptable in the present and future.  "Rules" in general are made by men (or women), and can be changed over time to adapt to the changing world.  Time and time again, we see the regressive societies perish, and progressive and adaptive societies flourish. 

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Sure, but even if you were right about most of what you've said whose rules do we follow.  If it's Nature's then there is no rule that says anything about 'equality'. If it's God's then much the same applies. 'Equality' is a vector for control by the left (which is in itself a representation of our X chromosome) consequently it's hardly something that can be represented as being 'fair'. 


Well, this really depend on what do you mean by "nature".   If by nature, you meant Mother Nature, Earth nature.  Then yes, it is not fair.  It is cruel.  It is a place where only the strongest survive.   It is then a matter of personal choice.  If people are content to be the sheep, to be lead and used by the wolves, then by all means do so.    However, even with no Y chromosome, I dislike the idea of been controlled, and rather like to be the wolf if I had the choice.  As such, if I was born in EB, I would have no choice but to become a sheep.  So, to me, the EB represents a regressive force in the society. 

However, I argue that since the Industrial Revolution, our society have moved beyond just "Mother nature", which allow for more diverse and 'fair' society which have their advantages.  For example, great minds like Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawkings, would have never survived in 'mother nature', but made significant and material contribution to our society. 
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Reply #13 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 4:50pm
 
Take a trip around the wheatbelt towns of WA, you'll soon see how "inclusive' the EB are. Rule their own with an iron fist, generally have monopolies of town business through patient attrition and takeover, exclude the non EB members of town from dealings both public and private. But they are more than willing to fleece the non EB townsfolk of their hard earned with inflated prices on goods in a one price for us / one price for you deal.

OP, if this is the superior model you think will bring Australia back from where ever you think it is now...all I can say is I hope you are an EB believer, if not, you're not gonna have the existance you hope for.
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Reply #14 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 5:22pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2014 at 12:57pm:
I had the EB under the blanket of 'Cult'.

Christianity is a nonpolitical movement. By Jesus's teachings.

A good, precise point! Belief in a heavenly government precludes christians from being left or right!
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