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I don't trust the Salvos anymore
Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:15pm

I thought till today that, out of all the charitable organisations, The Salvation Army was the one that could be most trusted to do the right thing.
But having heard the revelations at the Royal Commission, that delusion is now gone. They can't be trusted with children or disabled people.
So who can you trust? Here is my list of untrustworthies:
Salvos
Catholic Church
Anglican Church
Red Cross
Uniting Church
DOCS

Who is able to be trusted?

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29645 Gender:	Re: I don't trust the Salvos anymore Reply #1 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:23pm Ummmmm ... hasn't this been posted before?
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Re: I don't trust the Salvos anymore
Reply #2 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:23pm

My grandma was in a Salvation Army girls home and suffered the abuse talked about at the Royal Commission (she developed dementia in the mid 90s and died in 2006). It severely damaged her life and had an impact on her children and grandchildren.

It used to annoy me when I was younger that people saw the Salvos as different to all the other organisations when the abuse issues started becoming known. What was worse was when I would actually relay what I knew and people would have the gall to dispute me because the "Salvos are good people and a reputable organisation". These weren't people who were part of the Salvos, just sucked in by their reputation.

I'm glad that delusion has now broken down.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: I don't trust the Salvos anymore Reply #3 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:30pm Gnads wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:23pm: Ummmmm ... hasn't this been posted before? What hasn't been posted before?
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Reply #4 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:23pm:

Ummmmm ... hasn't this been posted before? Roll Eyes

What hasn't been posted before?

Herb it looks word for word the same as has been posted just recently.

It take it the author is the same.... so why wasn't the first thread enough?

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: I don't trust the Salvos anymore Reply #5 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:38pm I haven't posted this before. You're mistaken.
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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: I don't trust the Salvos anymore Reply #6 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:45pm I don't know who you can trust, but add ADF and Scouting to those that can't be trusted to look after young people.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: I don't trust the Salvos anymore Reply #7 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:55pm Salvos act like gods gift.. Pride comes before what??
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Reply #8 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:56pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:34pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:30pm:

Gnads wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:23pm:

Ummmmm ... hasn't this been posted before? Roll Eyes

What hasn't been posted before?

Herb it looks word for word the same as has been posted just recently.

It take it the author is the same.... so why wasn't the first thread enough?

Because we were all dozing when it was first posted.

I think the Salvation Army franchise should be sold to McDonalds. All assistance would come with a side-order of French fries. Tongue

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Re: I don't trust the Salvos anymore
Reply #9 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 2:00pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 1:55pm:

Salvos act like gods gift.. Pride comes before what??

It's god's army isn't it? What the hell would a god need an army for anyway? snake oil salesmen.......

Actually they do some good works, for the homeless, just don't let these organisations near kids or the handicapped.

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Reply #10 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 2:13pm

Only a moron throws the baby out with the bath water.

I’d say there are more people in these organizations that do more good than bad.

Honestly, some of you people are going to be in for a big surprise when everyone gets back to the fact that more abuse happens in the home, by people known to the family, than happens else where.

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Reply #11 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

Actually they do some good works, for the homeless, just don't let these organisations near kids or the handicapped.

I'm sure they do Pansi, just as I know there are rotten apples everywhere.
But it's one thing to have rotten apples, it's another thing to employ pedantics to attempt to argue it away.
I would have thought a truly devoted organisation would not lend itself to legal word games, it would just come out and beg forgiveness for the wrongs done in its name.

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Reply #12 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 2:23pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

Actually they do some good works, for the homeless, just don't let these organisations near kids or the handicapped.

I'm sure they do Pansi, just as I know there are rotten apples everywhere.
But it's one thing to have rotten apples, it's another thing to employ pedantics to attempt to argue it away.
I would have thought a truly devoted organisation would not lend itself to legal word games, it would just come out and beg forgiveness for the wrongs done in its name.

Yes, you'd think so, wouldn't you, with the way they portray themselves?

The behaviour surrounding the child sex abuse scandals has just confirmed that these organisations are about control and money, not about actually doing any good.

Aside from the legal wrangling, the fact that many (if not all) of these organisations had policies of covering up the abuse and protecting the perpetrators dispels any idea that they actually care about humanity.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: I don't trust the Salvos anymore Reply #13 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 2:23pm People trust people, not organisations.
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Reply #14 - Apr 15^th, 2014 at 2:31pm

Schu wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 2:23pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 15^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

Actually they do some good works, for the homeless, just don't let these organisations near kids or the handicapped.

I'm sure they do Pansi, just as I know there are rotten apples everywhere.
But it's one thing to have rotten apples, it's another thing to employ pedantics to attempt to argue it away.
I would have thought a truly devoted organisation would not lend itself to legal word games, it would just come out and beg forgiveness for the wrongs done in its name.

Yes, you'd think so, wouldn't you, with the way they portray themselves?

The behaviour surrounding the child sex abuse scandals has just confirmed that these organisations are about control and money, not about actually doing any good.

Aside from the legal wrangling, the fact that many (if not all) of these organisations had policies of covering up the abuse and protecting the perpetrators dispels any idea that they actually care about humanity.

Myopic, obtuse....take your pick... Roll Eyes

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