My observation and experience continues to demonstrate that as a rule, people who complain about the past history of salvos or the like and carry on about failures and weakness of such groups DONT give at all to anyone.

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why would anyone give anything to an institution

of systematic ritual rape abuse torture and murder ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

The Catholic sex abuse cases are a series of allegations, investigations, trials and convictions of child sexual abuse crimes committed by Catholic priests, nuns and members of Roman Catholic orders against children as young as three years old with the majority between the ages of 11 and 14.[1][2][3] These cases include anal and oral penetration and have resulted in criminal prosecutions of the abusers and civil lawsuits against the church's dioceses and parishes. Many of the cases span several decades and are brought forward years after the abuse occurred. Cases have also been brought against members of the Catholic hierarchy who did not report sex abuse allegations to the legal authorities. It has been shown they deliberately moved sexually abusive priests to other parishes where the abuse sometimes continued.[4] This has led to a number of fraud cases where the Church has been accused of misleading victims by deliberately relocating priests accused of abuse instead of removing them from their positions.[5]

The cases received significant media and public attention in Canada, Ireland, the United States, and throughout the world.[6] In response to the attention, members of the church hierarchy have argued that media coverage has been excessive and disproportionate.[7] According to a Pew Research Center study, media coverage mostly emanated from the United States in 2002, when the Boston Globe began a critical investigation. By 2010 much of the reporting focused on child abuse in Europe.[8][9] From 2001-2010 the Holy See, the central governing body of the Catholic Church, has "considered sex abuse allegations concerning about 3,000 priests dating back up to 50 years" according to the Vatican's Promoter of Justice.[10] Cases worldwide reflect patterns of long-term abuse and the covering up of reports.[note 1] Church officials and academics knowledgeable about the Roman Catholic Church say that sexual abuse by clergy is generally not discussed, and thus is difficult to measure.[6][11] In the Philippines, where as of 2002 at least 85% of the population is Catholic, revelations of child sexual abuse by priests followed the United States' reporting in 2002.[12]

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

Which assumes two things. First, that there's something wrong with not giving. There isn't. Second, that those reasons are unjustified excuses for not giving. They aren't. The only way it could be determined if those were merely excuses rather than reasons would be if all the various organisations cleaned up their act and changed some of their systems.

I once trusted the Moonies.  Now I only trust Miley Cyrus.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

That's the thing with you non-Catholics... You don't have a Pope who can pontificate and speak infallibly for you!

cods wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:


methinks you protesteth too much,

my observation remains generally accurate.

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:



I just pointed out that people who stop giving to charities that protect crime and corruption still give.

What on earth has the amount got to do with anything?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 16^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:


EVERYTHING.