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Reply #30 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 8:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 8:11pm:

ian wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 7:43pm:

I dont count graffitti as terrorism, why would you?

FD's trying to discredit the exact same European and FBI reports that he himself cited in defense of muslims before he found rabid islamophobia hip. Reports that demonstrate the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in the US and Europe come from non-muslims.

Needless to say, the non-muslim attacks were not made up of harmless graffiti.

Oh, I don’t know. I’d call the Oklahoma bombing a work of art, but that’s just me.

I don’t know much about art, but I know what I like.

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Reply #31 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 9:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 8:11pm:

ian wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 7:43pm:

I dont count graffitti as terrorism, why would you?

FD's trying to discredit the exact same European and FBI reports that he himself cited in defense of muslims before he found rabid islamophobia hip. Reports that demonstrate the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in the US and Europe come from non-muslims.

Needless to say, the non-muslim attacks were not made up of harmless graffiti.

Do you agree with me that Ian's claim is complete BS?

ian wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

there is zero dispute that there are far more terrorist acts and atrocities committed daily by "Christians" than by Muslims.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: 100 schoolgirls kidnapped Reply #32 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 9:45pm freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 9:29pm: Do you agree with me that Ian's claim is complete BS? I don't think they are specifically 'christian'. Most terrorism in Europe is committed by (non-muslim) separatist nationalists.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48860 At my desk.	Re: 100 schoolgirls kidnapped Reply #33 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 9:59pm He was not talking about Europe. Europe does not get daily terrorist attacks, unless of course you count graffiti.
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Reply #34 - Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 10:36pm

here ya go FD, enjoy

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Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t
The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam. Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups. Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims.

Here are the official tables provided in the reports…

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95430 Gender:	Re: 100 schoolgirls kidnapped Reply #35 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 1:05am Ah yes, but that 0.4% (from 2006 - 2008) are diabolically sinister. And they don’t like demokracy. Typical.
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Reply #36 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:05am

ian wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 10:36pm:

here ya go FD, enjoy

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Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t
The results are stark, and prove decisively that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, a whopping 99.6% of terrorist attacks in Europe were by non-Muslim groups; a good 84.8% of attacks were from separatist groups completely unrelated to Islam. Leftist groups accounted for over sixteen times as much terrorism as radical Islamic groups.

Only a measly 0.4% of terrorist attacks from 2006 to 2008 could be attributed to extremist Muslims.

Here are the official tables provided in the reports…

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

ian,

That is because; 'The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace.'
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and ISLAM "rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.".

Tongue

Honest!

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A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a philosophy which condemns extremism and violence....

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Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith.

The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace.

It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

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FROM THE SUNNA OF 'PEACE-LOVING' MOHAMMED

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari #001.002.025

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: 100 schoolgirls kidnapped Reply #37 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:18am Hey, whatever happened to the rules anyway? Quote: 3. Excessive use of large and coloured font (also known colloquially as "using crayons") - that make posts messy and difficult to read.
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Reply #38 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:50am

moses wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

I take it you are backing away from the request to prove that muslims don't commit atrocities in accordance with the teachings of: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an.

A lot of violent wackjobs try to justify their actions by using religion, it should be noted that the vast majority of the worlds Muslims are entirely peaceful and want the same security and prosperity for their families that you and I do. Im on record as stating that I beleive Middle eastern culture incompatible with western society as far as immigration goes but the distinction needs to be made between culture and religion, and my point here is that vastly more Christians use their religion as an excuse for their violent actions than Muslims do.

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Reply #39 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:57am

Stratos wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:18am:

Hey, whatever happened to the rules anyway?

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3. Excessive use of large and coloured font (also known colloquially as "using crayons") - that make posts messy and difficult to read.

'ISLAM is mostly a non-violent philosophy', was the proposition that is being presented.

Whatever happened to addressing the issues i have raised ?

And addressing the inconsistencies in ian's argument / statistics, that i have HIGHLIGHTED ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: 100 schoolgirls kidnapped
Reply #40 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:59am

ian wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:50am:

moses wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

I take it you are backing away from the request to prove that muslims don't commit atrocities in accordance with the teachings of: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an.

A lot of violent wackjobs try to justify their actions by using religion, it should be noted that the vast majority of the worlds Muslims are entirely peaceful and want the same security and prosperity for their families that you and I do. Im on record as stating that I beleive Middle eastern culture incompatible with western society as far as immigration goes but the distinction needs to be made between culture and religion, and my point here is that vastly more Christians use their religion as an excuse for their violent actions than Muslims do.

Why is it when we try to discuss the issues involving radical Islamics we get these same responses? It's almost likes it's out of bounds or something.

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Reply #41 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 11:03am

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Stratos wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:18am:

Hey, whatever happened to the rules anyway?

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3. Excessive use of large and coloured font (also known colloquially as "using crayons") - that make posts messy and difficult to read.

'ISLAM is mostly a non-violent philosophy', was the proposition that is being presented.

Whatever happened to addressing the issues i have raised ?

And addressing the inconsistencies in ian's argument / statistics, that i have HIGHLIGHTED ?

Er, no. Ian provided a statistic, you sprouted the same few passages that you always do in bright colours and large font, which is allegedly against the rule of this forum.

Why do you think the rate of terrorism is so low if your statements is true? Maybe you could retort with some statistics to counter his?

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #42 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 11:21am

Sparky wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:59am:

ian wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:50am:

moses wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

I take it you are backing away from the request to prove that muslims don't commit atrocities in accordance with the teachings of: islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an.

A lot of violent wackjobs try to justify their actions by using religion, it should be noted that the vast majority of the worlds Muslims are entirely peaceful and want the same security and prosperity for their families that you and I do. Im on record as stating that I beleive Middle eastern culture incompatible with western society as far as immigration goes but the distinction needs to be made between culture and religion, and my point here is that vastly more Christians use their religion as an excuse for their violent actions than Muslims do.

Why is it when we try to discuss the issues involving radical Islamics we get these same responses? It's almost likes it's out of bounds or something.

Not out of bounds Sparky, why would you think so? Im happy to have a serious debate. You will learn something I guarantee you even if you dont want to. Unlike most here i have spent a considerable amount of time living in Muslim countries and can see both sides of the cultural divide, so I have something to bring to the table. What about you, whats your real life experience?

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Reply #43 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 11:22am

Stratos wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 11:03am:

Yadda wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:57am:

Stratos wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 10:18am:

Hey, whatever happened to the rules anyway?

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3. Excessive use of large and coloured font (also known colloquially as "using crayons") - that make posts messy and difficult to read.

'ISLAM is mostly a non-violent philosophy', was the proposition that is being presented.

Whatever happened to addressing the issues i have raised ?

And addressing the inconsistencies in ian's argument / statistics, that i have HIGHLIGHTED ?

Er, no. Ian provided a statistic, you sprouted the same few passages that you always do in bright colours and large font, which is allegedly against the rule of this forum.

Why do you think the rate of terrorism is so low if your statements is true? Maybe you could retort with some statistics to counter his?

Is it because many moslems, do not want to die for Allah, but that many of these same moslems are willing to kill for Allah to satisfy their own CRIMINAL emotional urgings, if they judge that there is little physical danger to themselves ?

The security services in many Western democracies are on top of 'the moslem problem' - are able to pre-emptively interrupt the violent intentions of moslems who are resident within many Western democracies.

The moslems residing within many Western democracies KNOW THIS circumstance!

BUT, in jurisdictions where moslems perceive an 'opportunity' to engage in violent 'Jihad operations' [successfully, or with little perceived opposition to their violent intentions], then many times those moslem do engage in violent 'Jihad operations'.

CAR, Nigeria, Somalia, Egypt, Yemen, Southern Thailand, southern Philippines, Syria, Sudan, Turkey, Libya, and on and on......

Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam

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Physical jihad is the pinnacle of Islam, and some scholars regarded it as the sixth pillar of Islam.
June 13, 2013 · by muwahhidmedia · in Jihad · 2 Comments

The Muslims have neglected jihad for a long time, so they deserve the punishment of Allah, to be humiliated, belittled and defeated. That humiliation will never be lifted from them until they come back to their religion as the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam) said:

.......One of the strangest things to note is that we are living in a time when some of the Muslims are embarrassed to quote the verses and ahadith on jihad in front of their kaafir friends.

Their faces turn red because they are too shy to mention the rulings on the djizyah, slavery and killing prisoners of war.

They wish that they could erase these verses and ahadith from the Qur’aan and Sunnah so that they would not be criticized by this world with its backward principles despite its claims to be civilized.

If they cannot erase them then they try to misinterpret them and distort their meanings so that they suit the whims and desires of their masters. I will not say so that they suit their whims and desires, for they are too weak to have their own whims and desires, and too ignorant. Rather it is the whims and desires of their masters and teachers among the missionaries and colonialists, the enemies of Islam.”

http://muwahhidmedia.com/2013/06/13/physical-jihad-is-the-pinnacle-of-islam-and-...

"Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-"
Koran 4.88, 89

"Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"
Koran 4.95

i.e. Religious fighting is an obligation for all moslems.
Allah views with disdain those who avoid this obligation to him.
see also, Koran 2.76-78, Koran 9.73-85

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: 100 schoolgirls kidnapped Reply #44 - Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 11:36am kids and their crayons! See what I mean about a serious debate Sparky, almost impossible here due to our resident troll who apparently has free sway to pollute the forum however he wants. Dr Spock would be proud.
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