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Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory.
Apr 18^th, 2014 at 1:52pm

The report gives Indigenous Elders an opportunity to speak out about this unrelenting loss and the pain it leaves behind and to challenge the federal government to help save a generation.

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Here we go again ...

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The report says that despite all the good intentions, state and federal governments have not been able to stop the loss of life, and have instead been presiding over its increase.

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The suicides would be stopped almost overnight if booze, drugs, and sniffing petrol was made illegal in the aboriginal communities.

But such a move would have the Australian government up before the International Court at The Hague on charges of racism and white supremacist discrimination against the indigenous people.

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Despite millions of dollars spent on a network of local suicide-prevention centres, in some parts of the Kimberley the rate is 100 times higher than the national average.

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And so is the consumption of alcohol.

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The 31 Elders, from places including Broome, North East Arnhem Land and the Central Desert, Maningrida and Cape York, believe that cross-cultural confusion and loss of cultural identity are the toxic ingredients in the confused reasoning that results in young people killing themselves.

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Not a problem.

It's very easy to return them to their 'cultural identity'.

Just transport them to a wilderness area with a few elders as cultural mentors, and leave them there.

No dole; no booze; no cigarettes; etc etc.

Problem solved. Win-win situation for all concerned.

What the real problem is is that they want the benefits of white society with none of the work or responsibilities. It's a bit like Sydney's Muslim youths who have the highest unemployment rate among any of Australia's 200 immigrant ethnicities.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29645 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #1 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 1:59pm Youth suicide is on the rise across all racial groups. Quote: What the real problem is is that they want the benefits of white society with none of the work or responsibilities. Why does that make them want to top themselves? Drink, drugs, party & no work.... the bogan dream.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #2 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:15pm Oh dear. I think we need to throw a few billion dollars more at them.
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Reply #3 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:17pm

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 1:59pm:

Youth suicide is on the rise across all racial groups.

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What the real problem is is that they want the benefits of white society with none of the work or responsibilities.

Why does that make them want to top themselves?
Drink, drugs, party & no work....

the bogan dream.

Well okay then: Transport a train-load of disaffected aboriginal youths to Sydney's Boganville and have them mentored in the fine art of being HAPPY druggie no-hopers permanently on the dole.

Come to think of it ~ forget stopping the train at Boganville ... let it go straight through to Redfern. Cool

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #4 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:18pm assimilate or die out. Their choice. harsh reality but still reality.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25002 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #5 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:34pm ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:15pm: Oh dear. I think we need to throw a few billion dollars more at them. It's probably the reason why they are committing suicide at such a high rate.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #6 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 5:04pm I'm sorry,... Please explain!
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #7 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 5:14pm ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:18pm: assimilate or die out. Their choice. harsh reality but still reality. harsh but true. I wish there were a third option but there isn't one.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #8 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 5:40pm ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:18pm: assimilate or die out. Their choice. harsh reality but still reality. That's the truth of the matter. Social Darwinism takes no prisoners. Cross-pollination with dinky-di Aussies and assimilated immigrants is the only survival strategy left to them.
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Reply #9 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 5:58pm

WE HAVE TO DO MORE .. I can hear it now..

we dont do enough.......funny how we never read.. what ar they doing about it???..
do the elders just sit there and watch as the young.. say babies pick up pipes and smoke pot or sniff petrol???...someone teaches them and I dont think its whitey...

we have schools galore all free they just have to turn up..but they dont.. only the few...

the old saying about leading a horse to water.. sure applies here...I hate reading this stuff..but if someone I knew committed suicide.. I would ask what did I do wrong... not what did the govt do wrong..

its time for some inward thinking.. and some action from the aboriginal community..

its sad and shocking and to be honest I do not think their ,brains are capable of dealing with the drugs they put into their systems...alcohol is a shocker.. maybe all the alcohol sold in N.T. should have a real bad taste to it..

can anyone remember when they made methylated spirits purple.. to stop the wineos drinking it..

At the Alcohol Drugs History Conference, Under Control?, held in London from June 20 to June 23, Stella Moss gave a very interesting and somewhat horrifying talk about “Methylated spirit consumption and the control of deviant drinking in interwar Britain.” Methylated spirit is denatured alcohol. Hospitals and businesses use this product for cleaning and other things.

In Britain, the Customs and Excise department regulates methylated spirits. Denatured alcohol is not meant to be drunk. In fact it contains methanol and other additives to prevent consumption. It is 19 per cent alcohol. At the present there are about 500 prosecutions a year in Britain for meths drinking.

Drinking denatured alcohol can cause blindness and other problems. During Prohibition many people drank denatured alcohol which is poisonous and I imagine tastes awful.

Methylated spirits is a surrogate drink; other products that serve this functional are antifreeze and hand gel. What all these products have in common are that they are cheap, relative to commercially produced alcohol.

Denatured alcohol is a byproduct of the tax code. Because states tax ethanol, drinkable alcohol, it would be too expensive for business to use ethanol for industrial purposes.

Restrictions on pubs and British drinking during World War 1 had led to moderate drinking during the 1920s. Because habitual drinkers had less access to alcohol in mainstream establishments they turned to methylated spirits.

Often people mixed the meths with other substances, using some form of ethanol. A red biddy was red wine and meths while a red Lizzie was meths mixed with Lisbon wine. Most meths drinkers were very poor.

There seems to have been lot of compulsion assisted with drinking methylated spirits. Because it is a purple color the meths drinker had a distinctive look with purple lips.

Society saw the meth’s drinker as deviant, as other. This is very similar to the current portrayal in America of the crystal methamphetamine use

did the International Court scream about human rights then i wonder???

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Reply #10 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 6:12pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 5:40pm:

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

assimilate or die out. Their choice. harsh reality but still reality.

That's the truth of the matter.

Social Darwinism takes no prisoners.

Cross-pollination with dinky-di Aussies and assimilated immigrants is the only survival strategy left to them.

"Social Darwinism takes no prisoners." Nor does history nor progress nor reality. It is what it is.

I think it is more correctly 'adapt or died'. Every other culture and society in the world has adapted and changed with the changing circumstances of the last 200 years.

Adapt or die, which doesn't necessarily mean assimilation. It doesn't necessarily mean loss of culture or aboriginal identity. It does mean change.

Exactly how they need to change I'm not certain but there are aboriginal success stories, both as communities and individuals. But it will take more brains and empathy than money.

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Reply #11 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 7:27pm

OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 6:12pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 5:40pm:

ian wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

assimilate or die out. Their choice. harsh reality but still reality.

That's the truth of the matter.

Social Darwinism takes no prisoners.

Cross-pollination with dinky-di Aussies and assimilated immigrants is the only survival strategy left to them.

"Social Darwinism takes no prisoners." Nor does history nor progress nor reality. It is what it is.

I think it is more correctly 'adapt or died'. Every other culture and society in the world has adapted and changed with the changing circumstances of the last 200 years.

Adapt or die, which doesn't necessarily mean assimilation. It doesn't necessarily mean loss of culture or aboriginal identity. It does mean change.

Exactly how they need to change I'm not certain but there are aboriginal success stories, both as communities and individuals. But it will take more brains and empathy than money.

How about we start with a RIP for the unfortunate aborigines who succumbed to this cruel world.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29645 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #12 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 7:32pm Yeah like everyone else who has suffered the same fate.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #13 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 7:35pm Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 7:32pm: Yeah like everyone else who has suffered the same fate. Of course- very sad subject!
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29645 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal suicide now 50% of Nthern Territory. Reply #14 - Apr 18^th, 2014 at 7:36pm Yet .... I think there's a quid to be made out of this somehow.
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