ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 10:01pm:


My point as underlined above, there were separate areas for specific payments, and then there were no links between them, because they had merged 'again' into the general revenue.
Yes, all in the 1940's.

You know whats really funny is in Europe they imported millions of muslims to come and work there to generate taxes to provide pensions for the retired and when they got they there they all promptly went on the dole ... haha funny poo 

Sophia wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 10:17pm:
No, thats not what your link says. Are you a mongol?

Ian, first up, I was not talking about when tax payments began in Australia as you mentioned first up. I was talking about how the tax had risen in the 1940's, as the government said it would be for a different need in a different separate area specifically for say, social security, pension, including widow pension etc. So with this reasoning, the tax rose well over 18%.

Here is a graph of the income tax rates rise in the 1940's.



And this, marked the beginning of modern social security system.
So yes, I was correct, we have paid it in our taxes for our social security.

But don't worry, the rules always change, and now the Govt will raise the pension age to 70.
It's all about taking and not giving back.

IMO, if the age pension rises to 70, by then, a pensioner should receive more, as they have thus worked longer, and paid more taxes, to which they are priviledged for. They have paid for it via that big rise in tax since the 1940's for social security.

This was my whole disappointment, for my father in law back in the 1980's, when he needed to retire, and didn't want to leave his home which was on the farm, but with the assets test, of land after the 5 acres, he could not get the pension, even though he had paid his taxes all his life, he had earned it. Now, just recently, that has changed re: farming and larger properties, where the homestead on the acreage of more than 5 acres, will not become under the scrutiny of the assets test, provided one has lived on that property for 20 years or more.

There will always be loopholes for the government to get out of wanting to pay the pension, and thus, will want to raise the pension age for entitlements to 70 

That graph above, shows the steep rise in tax rates, for the purpose of social security, but really, what one government implements back then, and what another does in this day and age, will not compliment each other.

Sophia wrote on Apr 21^st, 2014 at 10:27am:
All you had to do to in order to avoid looking ioncredibly stupid was a simple google and go to the ABS website. Instead, you demanded i do your research for you and when proven wrong proceeded to lie about what you previously claimed. now instead of just showing that you didnt know something you are looking incredibly foolish.

Quote:
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/8e72c4526a94aaedca2569de00296978!OpenDocument

the old age pension has always been financed from general revenue. There is zero dispute about this.

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:


What gives you the idea that people on welfare have never worked?

Where did that come from?

Swagman, perhaps?

Or the Boer?

It's too dangerous to have firearms in a suburban house.
Sure - farmers need them & so do professional hunters.

30,000 Americans are killed every year by guns.

Most are killed from suicides & accidents.

Reeva Steenkamp's killing in South Africa is a perfect example
of the danger of having a firearm in the house.