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OldnCrusty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 855 Gender:	Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Reply #15 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:32pm To my knowledge you have to ask to be 'recognised' as a 'friend of the court'. I would expected to be allowed in the lower courts but it would be unusual and for something specific.
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Reply #16 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

cods wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Hear hear Nail,
also:

I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out
his statement in court for him.

I was not allowed to.
He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500
just to read a silly statement!

What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog.

that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace Sad

And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates Sad

if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor..

if you think you are as smart as them... feel free.

I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it..

there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life..

but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do..

then get an education...

and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree..

have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min.

But why couldn't I read my mate's statement out?

You should have been allowed to. It is a discretionary thing ~ the Magistrate/Judge may allow a lay person an opportunity to do something like that. You struck one in bad mood or you annoyed s/him somehow.

The easy way around it was to hand the statement up to the Magistrate/Judge.

Further, I'm surprised it is 'only' $360.00 an hour now. When I retired about ten years ago, I was chargeing $300.00 an hour.

yes, I paid $330 about 9 years ago for a divorce lawyer.
And $360 3 years ago for one of my sons.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38826 Gender:	Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Reply #17 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:36pm OldnCrusty wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:32pm: To my knowledge you have to ask to be 'recognised' as a 'friend of the court'. I would expected to be allowed in the lower courts but it would be unusual and for something specific. Not exactly, Mr Crusty. Click here.
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Reply #18 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:43pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:39pm:

yes they are at the bar

as are all magistrates

as they both must sign an oath of allegiance

if they do not sign this they are not at the bar

any that do not honour the inner workings of

admiralty law , UCC law will and are disbarred ..

thus then and so it is this treachery must be

well renumerated for these masonic band of thieves ,

we continue to watch

from divine light

namaste

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And they cannot practice unless they pay their fees to the Law society. A lawyer went to prison for contempt over not paying his fees, stating that he saw no reason for any real need to do so. Back in the 90's I think in Malbunistan...

Law is a closed shop.... and only those considered 'ideologically safe' are permitted through the doors.

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Reply #19 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:54pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:44am:

These are people who produce nothing except some words on a bit of paper and never guarantee their work but charge like wounded bulls. Why do they value their work so much ?

Is it because they have no real competition and have wrangled the system so we can't have competition from abroad ?

Now, now, be careful what you write, the lawyers can get in trouble, because they control the law.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Reply #20 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:57pm lol, imagine Booby representing you in court. Homer simpson on valium.
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Reply #21 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:02pm

Alinta wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:19pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

cods wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Hear hear Nail,
also:

I have a friend who doesn't speak well in public & I asked a solicitor whether I could read out
his statement in court for him.

I was not allowed to.
He had to hire a barrister to read it which cost over $500
just to read a silly statement!

What a rip-off & it was just over a council matter concerning a dog.

that sounds like a monopoly. What a disgrace Sad

And to think that a lot of these lawyer types end up in politics making new legislation to provide new business opportunities for their lawyer mates Sad

if you know the LAW.. then there is no LAW that says you have to use a lawyer/solicitor..

if you think you are as smart as them... feel free.

I dont think they would be able to charge what they do.. if they were not worth it..

there are rip offs of course like in every walk of life..

but if thats what it costs for someone who knows more than you do..

then get an education...

and see what you will charge when you have your Law degree..

have you been to a dentist lately??????..$250 for 10 min.

But why couldn't I read my mate's statement out?

You should have been allowed to. It is a discretionary thing ~ the Magistrate/Judge may allow a lay person an opportunity to do something like that. You struck one in bad mood or you annoyed s/him somehow.

The easy way around it was to hand the statement up to the Magistrate/Judge.

Further, I'm surprised it is 'only' $360.00 an hour now. When I retired about ten years ago, I was chargeing $300.00 an hour.

I'm surprised the solicitor didn't advise you along the lines of.."it's up to the Magistrates' discretion.....s/he may not allow it......if not allowed, the statement can be handed directly to the Magistrate."

To simply say you are not allowed is incorrect advice.

they have probably got the law changed so that you can't. Just more money for jam Sad

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Reply #22 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:05pm Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Because they have marketable skills which you dont.
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Reply #23 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:15pm

ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:05pm:

Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ?

Because they have marketable skills which you dont.

The question is are those skills worth the money. I say no. Not only that, but the entire process that permits such blatant rip-off fees is run by lawyers and their mates who make the rules and constantly extend them to include more and more people who have no real interest in them.

Robbing people with a fountain pen is no less robbery..... you property magnates know that full well. Grin

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106314 Melbourne Gender:	Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Reply #24 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:17pm ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 1:57pm: lol, imagine Booby representing you in court. Homer simpson on valium. Dear Ian, If you would have read the thread - you halfwit - I was referring to reading out a statement - not cross examining witnesses etc. forgiven namaste
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Alinta Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1470 Melbourne Gender:	Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Reply #25 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:29pm Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges????
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Reply #26 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:36pm

Alinta wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges????

Yes he did even though he was not guilty.

It was:
(1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate)
(2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury )

The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant.

He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise.
It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse.

Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30095 Gender:	Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Reply #27 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:41pm ian wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:05pm: Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Because they have marketable skills which you dont. Are they exportable skills by any chance ? LOL Can they actually add value to anything LOL
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Reply #28 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Alinta wrote on Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:29pm:

Hey Bobby.........trying to get my head around this.....did your friend plead guilty to the pooch charges????

Yes he did even though he was not guilty.

It was:
(1) a dog at large - ( the gate wasn't properly shut & his dog was no more than 5 meters from the front gate)
(2) his dog biting another dog - ( false as there was no mark or injury )

The dog is super friendly & wouldn't harm an ant.

He followed his lawyers advice because he was told it would cost $7,000 to defend otherwise.
It still cost him $2,000 which included a barrister for $500 to read out a silly statement full of falsehoods & fake remorse.

Now he doesn't want to pay his lawyer.

$500 to read out some weasel words Sad

What a joke the system is Sad

like I said they charge like wounded bulls and never guarantee their work Sad

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38826 Gender:	Re: $360 an hour for a solicitor ! Why ? Reply #29 - Apr 20^th, 2014 at 2:44pm The Barrister would have done more than merely read word for word from the Statement. What was the $1500.00 paid to the Solicitor for? What did s/he do?
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