polite_gandalf wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 7:51pm:



gandalf,

As the information that i presented in post #26 demonstrates, if an infidel attends a mosque as a guest, there is evidence that the inclination of moslems in the mosque, will be to simply try to deceive the infidel [about what is taught in the mosque, to moslems].

That the moslems WILL NOT BE CANDID WITH THE INFIDEL, but that the moslems in the mosque, will simply tell the infidel, what the moslems want the infidel to believe.



And what is it that the moslems want the infidels to believe ?

The moslems want the infidels to believe, that moslems regard Christians and moslems as 'brothers' in their respective Abrahamic faiths.




As per the example in my post #26;

The Christians that visited the UK mosque were 'treated kindly', and the Christians were told by the moslem preacher;

'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'.

But then, subsequently, it is clear that as soon as the Christians are no longer present, the moslem preacher then tells those moslems who are attending the mosque;

'Christianity is vile.'

From the example above, we can see that moslem community leaders [i.e. in this case, the mosques' preacher] are shamelessly encouraging [by their own example], other moslems to have duplicitous relationships with persons who are not moslems!





Google,
smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"



http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

polite_gandalf wrote on May 5^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:




IMAGE....

Quote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6692243.stm

Again,  e.g. Koran 9.29



But as soon as it becomes apparent to the moslem, that non-moslems have become aware of his 'message', he claims,
he never said 'that',
he never 'intended that',
'what i said is being misrepresented'.

Trad, explains the promise of the moslem peace with us infidels,

One ISLAM, one peace,

'.....Just like in muslim countries.'

image source....
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/03/15/out-of-context-fair-go-harmony-under-sharia/

Most Muslims do not know about Islamic jurisprudence because lots of it is not actually in the Quranic text.

The 5 pillars of Islam for example is not something you can find directly in the Quran. This is the case with many elements of Shariah law and Islamic jurisprudence.

The clerics of Islam are careful to avoid any controversial aspects of Shariah law to be discussed in public. So it is probably true that many Muslims may simply not know and are not trying to be deceptive.
As a Quranist of course I am concerned with what the Quran has to say. Like Judaism, Islam believes in two revelations, the sacred text and the oral traditions. Judaism has the Torah and Talmud while the Muslims have the Quran and Sunnah.

Jesus as we know attacked many elements of the Talmud and the Pharisees who believed the Talmud can abrogate the Torah. Jesus was a Torah firster.

Quranist also attack many elements of the Sunnah and reject abrogation.

What is happening is because of the invent of technology and communications advancements, many of the problematic elements contained in the Sunnah has now become available to a lot of Muslims. This led to a rise of extremism that we never saw in Islamic history to this extent we see today.