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Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:51pm
 
Australian Greens model millionaire taxes for Tony Abbott and his rich friends


Taxing trusts as if they were companies, and applying a new top marginal tax rate on incomes over $1 million, would raise billions of dollars for the Commonwealth budget and alleviate pressure to slash welfare programs for the genuinely needy, the Greens have said.

The country's third political force has commissioned an updated independent costing of the two proposals originally put forward by the Parliamentary Budget Office, as an alternative to a raft of harsh spending cuts being considered by the Abbott government.

The move has been calculated to illustrate the ways that Australia's rich and poor are being cast in the Abbott government's narrative of a budget emergency.

These measures have yet to be announced but speculation is rife in Canberra that the first Hockey budget could contain decisions to tighten eligibility for the age pension, make GP visits more expensive through the application of a co-payment by patients of $6, and even see a crackdown on eligibility for the Disability Support Pension.

The PBO modelling found the move to scrap the generous taxation treatment of discretionary trusts, of which there are some 550,000 in operation at present, would raise some $3.3 billion over the four-year budget period from July 1, this year.

However it acknowledged in its costing documents, obtained by Fairfax Media, that its modelling was "considered to be of low reliability" due to a series of inherently uncertain assumptions about future behaviour.

This could include individuals abandoning trusts and using other measures if the taxation arrangements were no longer regarded as sufficiently attractive.

Another almost $1 billion would be gained in revenue by the addition of a 5 per cent super-rich tax on the tiny minority of people with incomes over $1 million - defined as taxable income plus reportable fringe benefits.

The PBO modelling provided to the Greens party shows this proposal has been costed as adding $926.6 million to the underlying fiscal balance over the four budget years from July 1, 2014.

The tax take from this measure would gradually increase through bracket-creep expanding its eligibility and thus causing it to reap $339.7 million in the final year, 2017-18.

Acting Greens leader Adam Bandt said it was unacceptable for the government to be shaping up for a major hit on the vulnerable, while the well-off were allowed to structure their affairs to minimise tax, depriving the budget of much needed revenue.

“The wealthy elite should take a haircut, not those who rely on bulk-billing to see a doctor,” Mr Bandt said, declaring that Prime Minister Tony Abbott was "backed by society’s ‘1%’".

“If Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott let their millionaire friends off scot-free while attacking pensions and essential services, they will have declared ‘class war’ on the country and divided Australia," he said.

“If the ‘age of entitlement’ is over, as Joe Hockey says, he should start at the top. Joe Hockey should balance the budget fairly by implementing these independent costings provided by the Greens," Mr Bandt said.

The combined effect on revenue of the two measures would be close to $4.3 billion over four years with the potential to raise more beyond the budget period.

Trusts run by farmers would be exempt from the Greens' changes.

But the ideas are unlikely to find favour with either of the major parties - neither of whom want to be associated with implementing new taxes.


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australian-greens-model-mi...
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Reply #1 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:11pm
 
How inflammatory, I guess the wealthy are used to it.

Whenever politicians talk about taxing that rich it almost always ends up hurting those it seeks to help, the wealthy are very good at passing costs off on others. Last thing you want to do is hurt consumers and workers.

People have heard of shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations right?

I'm no corporate apologist or defender but this is what makes me sceptic:
"However it acknowledged in its costing documents, obtained by Fairfax Media, that its modelling was "considered to be of low reliability" due to a series of inherently uncertain assumptions about future behaviour.

This could include individuals abandoning trusts and using other measures if the taxation arrangements were no longer regarded as sufficiently attractive."


What that means is they don't know what will happen, will ignore any warnings people give and it could have unforeseen (foreseen by those ignored) consequences.

How well do the Greens know their history?
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Reply #2 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm
 
Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?
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Reply #3 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:16pm
 
Vuk11 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:11pm:
I'm no corporate apologist or defender but this is what makes me sceptic:
"However it acknowledged in its costing documents, obtained by Fairfax Media, that its modelling was "considered to be of low reliability" due to a series of inherently uncertain assumptions about future behaviour.

This could include individuals abandoning trusts and using other measures if the taxation arrangements were no longer regarded as sufficiently attractive."


What that means is they don't know what will happen, will ignore any warnings people give and it could have unforeseen (foreseen by those ignored) consequences.

What it shows is that there are other tax loopholes that need to be closed.
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Reply #4 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:17pm
 
Without sharing the load, the cons are just enacting class warfare against the lower and middle income bracket.

Once again Greens reveal they are the party of the majority while the cons are the party of the minority.
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Reply #5 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:18pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.
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Reply #6 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm
 
Bam wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.


Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!
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Reply #7 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:22pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:17pm:
Once again Greens reveal they are the party of the majority while the cons are the party of the minority.


I thought we're supposed to protect minorities from the majority in a Democracy Angry

IMHO all three seek to use big government policies to deal with these issues without considering that maybe the problem is too much government. That's okay though they can play their smoke screen card shuffle games, the time will come......it's inevitable.

(The rubber band effect towards freedom is coming  Cheesy )
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Reply #8 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:24pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:
Bam wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.


Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!



Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.

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Reply #9 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:28pm
 
Vuk11 wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:22pm:
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:17pm:
Once again Greens reveal they are the party of the majority while the cons are the party of the minority.


I thought we're supposed to protect minorities from the majority in a Democracy Angry

IMHO all three seek to use big government policies to deal with these issues without considering that maybe the problem is too much government. That's okay though they can play their smoke screen card shuffle games, the time will come......it's inevitable.

(The rubber band effect towards freedom is coming  Cheesy )



Protect no, integrate yes.
Greens are out to integrate millionaires to the art of benevolence.

Your welcome.
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Reply #10 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:55pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:
Bam wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.


Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!



Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.



Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.
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Reply #11 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:03pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:
Bam wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.


Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!



Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.



Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.



People were compensated to a greater amount of the levy and so people still spent in small businesses. Small business didn't suffer the turndown that Abbott's doctor tax will cause.

How many small businesses have to go under before Abbott stops his Tax War against them?
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Reply #12 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:06pm
 
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:
Bam wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.


Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!



Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.



Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.



People were compensated to a greater amount of the levy and so people still spent in small businesses. Small business didn't suffer the turndown that Abbott's doctor tax will cause.

How many small businesses have to go under before Abbott stops his Tax War against them?


Not fully compensated.
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Reply #13 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:15pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:06pm:
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:
Bam wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.


Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!



Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.



Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.



People were compensated to a greater amount of the levy and so people still spent in small businesses. Small business didn't suffer the turndown that Abbott's doctor tax will cause.

How many small businesses have to go under before Abbott stops his Tax War against them?


Not fully compensated.


And no compensation for Abbott's Medical Treatment Tax. That will strip money out of the retail economy, out of small businesses and sending some to the wall. Less revenue from the GST and higher unemployment.

Abbott's medical treatment tax is a killer.
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Reply #14 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 2:36am
 
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:15pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:06pm:
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 8:03pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:55pm:
____ wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:24pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:21pm:
Bam wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 7:15pm:
Let's just tax the lazy, worthless Greens who never contribute to society but see fit to block roads, disrupt people trying to go about their lives and generally waste our time while getting a nice govt dole payment?

Let's just tax the lazy, worthless idle rich who never contribute to society.


Yeah, they don't do much - just mortgage their homes to start the business at considerable risk to themselves then employ staff and thereby help the community prosper. Lousy bludgers!



Rather than share the load you want to cripple small businesses. Every person that pays abbott's doctor tax spends less in the retail sector.



Welcome to life under the carbon tax, where things like electricity cost more and prevent people from spending as much (or at all) at shops.



People were compensated to a greater amount of the levy and so people still spent in small businesses. Small business didn't suffer the turndown that Abbott's doctor tax will cause.

How many small businesses have to go under before Abbott stops his Tax War against them?


Not fully compensated.


And no compensation for Abbott's Medical Treatment Tax. That will strip money out of the retail economy, out of small businesses and sending some to the wall. Less revenue from the GST and higher unemployment.

Abbott's medical treatment tax is a killer.


Why is compensation even needed for a tax? Absurd: collect it with one hand, give back with another. What's the point, then? Proof the carbon tax is a useless, costly lie.
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